Haha, yes! I didn't the first time I saw it, but it was on late night TV the other day and, er... *sniff*
Did you tear up during spocks death/funeral?
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I did. But then again, for posters like Corporal Clegg, they were too young to understand -- let alone appreciate -- the emotional impact of killing off Spock. I was 20 at the time and saw the movie in the theater, and remembered there was an air of finality about it because of all the publicity that this would be Nimoy's swan song as Spock. So it had an impact on me, as I grew up watching TOS in reruns on one of the independent stations in New York City, Channel 11. Enough fans complained about Spock's death that it was reversed in the very next movie, and I always thought it was clever the way that they did it, using the impossible science of Genesis and Vulcan mysticism. -- RR
I posted this in another thread.
They created this whole elaborate hoop that everyone had to jump through just to kill off Spock. Plus, after doing so, they had to give themselves an "out" just in case they decide later it was a bad idea.
And, it was kind of anti-climatic. The reference the villain as being a super genius over and over again to pound it into our brains. And then, he decides to turn himself into a glorified Baka Bomb.
In the meantime, the engine won't start. And, in order to fix it, Spock pulls out some techno-bullshit out of his ass that no one understands except that it'll kill him.Of course, the whole time all the engineers are standing around with their collective fingers up their asses.
I could go into more detail, but I don't really see a point.
But in short: TPTB need to kill-off character. They create a really contrived plot-device and then a really contrived response to said plot-device in order to do so.
It an example of lazy writing that no one seems willing to acknowledge because (for reasons that completely allude me) the movie is worshiped and can do no wrong.
Most people who like this movie aren't willing to acknowledge your opinion because that's just what it is -- your opinion. Just because you say it's lazy writing doesn't make it necessariy so.
As for your objection over Spock coming up with a solution no one else could, he's famous for that. Just look at TMP, where he comes up with the solution to get the warp drive back online. We forget that Spock is supposed to be a genius, not just a run-of-the-mill officer.
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I first saw TWoK during my early teens and I cried like I was, still, a child. I even get weepy when I re-watch it. It is one of the few movies that provokes that type of emotional response from me. I think it is the combination of Kirk's excellent eulogy and Scotty playing Amazing Grace on the bagpipes.
I admit it still gets me, though I suppose if I watched the movie to death it would lose its impact. I only watch the films every few years at most.
Yeah, I tear up every time, even knowing about the whole katra thing. This sort of emotional response was missing from Data's death...
At the time, Nimoy was hesitant about signing on for another movie and was holding out on contract negotiations. So they killed off Spock. The time between those films was tense... would they bring Spock back or would Nimoy be gone for good??? We didn't know until the pre-movie hype IF or HOW Spock would come back...
Even so, I STILL get teary-eyed each and every time I see this scene. IMHO, it is THE BEST scene in all of Trek.
More accurately, Nimoy couldn't see anyplace interesting to go with the character, and Harve Bennett got his attention by giving him something new to play: his death scene.
Tear up...no...have a bit of a water eye...yes.
No.
Like a baby. For years afterwards, I couldn't watch it without boohooing. I still don't like WOK, even though it was a good movie.
Spock was my favorite character at the time. Even though there was no 'net, we had Starlog and other stuff and it was out there that he would be killed off.
Most people in that theater cried, including the men.
My only "hope" at the time was that I did recognize that they left the door open for him to return. I didn't know if Nimoy wanted back in (the word at the time was that he didn't,) and I figured if not, that was the end of Star Trek.
I'm one of the minority that loved STIII. Yeah, it was a cheat bringing him back, but I didn't care.
Spock was my favorite character at the time. Even though there was no 'net, we had Starlog and other stuff and it was out there that he would be killed off.
Most people in that theater cried, including the men.
My only "hope" at the time was that I did recognize that they left the door open for him to return. I didn't know if Nimoy wanted back in (the word at the time was that he didn't,) and I figured if not, that was the end of Star Trek.
I'm one of the minority that loved STIII. Yeah, it was a cheat bringing him back, but I didn't care.
ROFLMAO....Brilliant...thats up there with this classic..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2dd6PA7gag&feature=related
I've always loved STIII. I guess I never saw his return as a "cheat," because I never expected him to stay dead in the first place. AT the time I was totally unaware of Nimoy's reluctance to continue playing Spock. I always saw TSFS as a thematic sequel to The Menagerie. In the episode Spock is willing to risk his career and possibly his life to give his former captain a chance at a new life. In the movie Kirk and crew are risking their careers for Spock. And when they set out its not even with the intention of resurrecting him, but rather making sure his "soul" is returned to Vulcan. Its one of the most character driven movies of the series and remains a favorite of mine to this day.
I teared up for Spock. I was downright angry about the hero, I mean Enterprise in III. I still think if they were going to kill her, she should have made Khan & Genesis in the Reliant look like a cap from a child's cap gun. After (seemingly) all those threats to self-destruct, I wanted/expected a super nova... but no, she FIZZLED! At least Spock came back... the Enterprise was replaced!
Yes, that is a great moment in the movie. Shatner's performance is very compelling and you can really feel his grief as he relives Spock's death.
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