Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretaker?

[Lance]

Maybe we did. It just seemed to me that it was glazed over.

Did any of these guys ever appear again in supplementary material? Comic books, novels, coffee cups, anything?

It seems weird to me that to this day I don't think we even know the names of Voyager's original CMO and Chief Engineer. I don't think we even seen the latter, and the former is present but IIRC is never named on screen.

At least Commander Cavit (Janeway's original XO) was given a name before his brain got splattered against the bulkheads. He got a little bit of personality in his seven minutes of screen-time. At least as much as Chuckles got in seven years, anyway.

If I recall correctly, the CMO wasn't even named (just like the EMH really), and the other casualties were similarly vague, except for Lieutenant Stadi, whose purpose was to flirt a little with Tom Paris and then die.

Did we ever learn more about these folks?

 

[Pavonis]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

No. Why would we? They're redshirts. Who cares about redshirts? It's their purpose to die.

 

[DonIago]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

IIRC Cavit and possibly others appear in one of the MyrU stories.

 

[Lance]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Memory Alpha tells me the novelization of 'Caretaker' at least gives the CMO a name ("Dr. Fitzgerald").

It just seems strange to me that we never saw them again, not even on occasions where there were legitimate flashbacks to earlier events, like in 'Shattered'.

 

[bbjeg]

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Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretaker?

They don't know how to Brace for impact when the captain says so.

JANEWAY: Analysis.
KIM: It's some kind of polarised magnetic variation.
CAVIT: We might be able to disperse it with a graviton particle field.
JANEWAY: Do it. Red alert. Move us away from it, Lieutenant.
STADI: New heading, four one mark one eight zero.
CAVIT: Initiating graviton field.
KIM: The graviton field had no effect.
JANEWAY: Full impulse.
KIM: The wave will intercept us in twelve seconds.
JANEWAY: Can we go to warp?
STADI: Not until we clear the plasma field, Captain.
KIM: Five seconds.
JANEWAY: Brace for impact.
KIM: Three.
(Cavit is sent flying across the bridge as the wave hits. White out. The bridge is a mess with broken conduits and shorting cables. Janeway checks Cavit for a pulse. Nothing.)

 

[SchwEnt]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Yeah, I can't believe this never got a VOY eps, what with all the alternate universe/time travel/quantum reality stuff.

An eps where the "Caretaker" events alter who lives and who dies.

Janeway dies... Cavitt takes over, or Chakotay?
Stadi lives, Paris dies, CMO lives, Tuvok dies...
some other fates than what originally happened.

Just to see how it might have played out differently.
VOY went down that route many times, I'd think this scenario would be an obvious choice.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Lt Commander Cavitt wasn't the XO, possibly Lt Commander Chakotay wasn't either.

In Imperfection there's a list of deceased officers, including one with a superior rank to both Cavitt and Chakotay. The list is as follows...

Commander J. Bartlett.
Lt. Cdr. L. McGarry.
Lt. Cdr. T. Ziegler.
Lt. Cdr. Josh Lyman.
Lt. S. Seaborne.
Ens. Claudia J. Craig.
Ens. Charles Young.

Voyager's original Doctor had a noncanonical name.

Played by actor Jeff McCarthy, this character was never named in script or dialog. The novelization (Pocket VOY: Caretaker) and the Star Trek Customizable Card Game identify him as Dr. Fitzgerald (β) with a rank of lieutenant commander. In the non-canon Star Trek: The Badlands duology he was named Dr. Bist (this possibly being his first name).It is speculated by fans that this character could be officers T. Ziegler or L. McGarry, as these were two names of lieutenant commanders in the casualty list displayed in "Imperfection".

 

[T'Girl]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Lt Commander Cavitt wasn't the XO, possibly Lt Commander Chakotay wasn't either.

In Imperfection there's a list of deceased officers, including one with a superior rank to both Cavitt and Chakotay. The list is as follows...

Commander J. Bartlett.

Just because there was an officer aboard with a higher rank than Cavitt, doesn't automatically mean that person was the XO instead of Cavitt.

The XO isn't the person with the second highest rank, it a position.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Yeah it does.

The first officers job is to manage the crew for the Captain.

That's a little difficult if there's still one bugger on board (other than the Captain.) who can say "I'm busy, I'll write your damn report sometime next week. Dismissed."

Remember when Kurn showed up with superior rank to Riker, and displaced him as first officer?

Although, with Jellico I think that Riker was dispossessed of all his duties and about to be thrown off the ship as soon as they found a starbase, Because Data didn't invent excuses to hang out at the bar, when he should be doing his job.

The Dekker Question?

Kirk demoted him from Captain, but I think Xon who had the transporter accident was supposed to be the first officer hours earlier... But Spock immediately replaced him as Science Officer, but what about First Officer?

Tucker on the Enterprise was First officer for most of the pilot... But Subcommander beats Commander and his work load was halved.

 

[JarodRussell]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

You know, a parallel universe episode where we see the original crew in the Alpha quadrant would have been pretty nice. It could have involved Janeway jumping into AlternateJaneway's body for some reason. It could have also involved Chakotay & Co, Cardassians, the Dominion.

 

[T'Girl]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Yeah it does.

The first officers job is to manage the crew for the Captain.

That's a little difficult if there's still one bugger on board (other than the Captain.) who can say "I'm busy, I'll write your damn report sometime next week. Dismissed."

At which point the XO (who does hold a lower rank) would order the officer (who is senior to the XO) to finish the report immediately, because the XO has authority over all the ship's company other than the Captain, and the XO would then change the senior officer with insubordination.

Again, XO isn't a rank, it is a position.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Executive Officer, First Officer. I understand that it is a position, that has always been held by the second highest permanent ranked officer on every ship we have followed on TV.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/First_officer

Always.

 

[Sam_I_Am]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

That's just a happy coincidence. First officer is a position. A first officer can hold a lower rank than some other officer and still hold authority over that officer.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

I'm not saying that that's impossible, but we have no evidence to support it either.

Even in the real world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_officer

 

[black_dranzer]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Even though Janeway explicitly introduces him as her first officer in Caretaker?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Who, you mean Commander Be-A-Jerk, Doctor Be-A-Jerk and Helmsman Be-A-Jerk?

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Janeway introduces him as the XO and he barks orders on the Bridge. Source: I just watched Caretaker last night.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Commander Bartlett might not have been Permanent staff.

After he killed Chakotay, he would have new mission on a new ship to kill some one else.

Geordi Was offered the First Officer post after Riker buggered off in the novels.

(Holy Shit. Worf is Enterprises XO?)

Even though Beverly must have had a couple years (a decades?) seniority on him.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

Who, you mean Commander Be-A-Jerk, Doctor Be-A-Jerk and Helmsman Be-A-Jerk?

When you're as literally drop dead gorgeous as helmsman Be-a-jerk is, it's called character.

Cavitt was only a Lieutenant Commander.

Voyager is so small, and only goes on missions so uncomplicated that it doesn't need a full Commander in that spot.

 

[Use of Time]

Re: Did we ever learn much about the original crew who died in Caretak

I had the unfortunate experience of serving as an XO in the Army a few years back for a Headquarters company which happened to include the battalion staff. About 20 officers that outranked me, mostly Captains. They all pretty much told me to fuck off whenever I needed something.

I'm with you though, Star Trek would not have an officer outrank the XO. I guess there could be some scenario in which the CMO could possibly outrank the XO on a smaller vessel but they would need to follow his directives. You have to look at the XO as the guy "executing" the Commanders intent. Blowing him off is blowing the Captain off. Either way that is a lot of blowing.