I am imagining during the first couple weeks, Janeway plumbing out of her pretty little pink nose three dozen golden booger nuggets to smear onto the nose cones of all her torpedoes.
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Did Janeway Hate Carey?
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Mrs. Carey (sobbing): So Joe was killed in the line of duty.
Janeway: That's right. He was a brave man.
Mrs. Carey: Then an older version of you from a different time line travelled back to get Voyager home earlier than it had in the original timeline. So she could help save the people she loved?
Janeway: Yes, that's right.
Mrs. Carey: So she came back just..."after"...Joe was killed.
Janeway: Um, yes.
Mrs. Carey: Even though she probably could have come back..."before"...he was killed.
Janeway: Um, sorry I really need to go and talk to Mr and Mrs Darwin.
Mrs. Darwin: Hello captain, me and Mrs. Suder were just wondering what happene with our sons.
Janeway: Doh!
Janeway: That's right. He was a brave man.
Mrs. Carey: Then an older version of you from a different time line travelled back to get Voyager home earlier than it had in the original timeline. So she could help save the people she loved?
Janeway: Yes, that's right.
Mrs. Carey: So she came back just..."after"...Joe was killed.
Janeway: Um, yes.
Mrs. Carey: Even though she probably could have come back..."before"...he was killed.
Janeway: Um, sorry I really need to go and talk to Mr and Mrs Darwin.
Mrs. Darwin: Hello captain, me and Mrs. Suder were just wondering what happene with our sons.
Janeway: Doh!
Why didn't Admiral Janeway go back to DS9 and tell her younger self all that happened. Yes, she would've lost Tuvok but he'd have understood her actions--the needs of the many and all that.
They tried to imply that being lost in the Delta quadrant was a worthwhile, valuable experience... but only for seven years.
Once you get to year eight, it's all just pain and death and people shooting at you and the Fen Domar trying to eat your brains etc.
Have you ever been on holiday and thought... "probably didn't need as many days as we booked."
Once you get to year eight, it's all just pain and death and people shooting at you and the Fen Domar trying to eat your brains etc.
Have you ever been on holiday and thought... "probably didn't need as many days as we booked."
But...but no cute wittle baby Miral Paris!
Now that I think about it.... Admiral Janeway also wiped out Naomi's daughter.
Miral wiped herself out like a fricking sexy Lemming.
Adult Miral was the Agent of Janeway who collected the Klingon temporal device for Janeway's mad rash plan.
It's really a question, of how much did Miral know?
Kim was fine with Janeway murdering the universe, maybe this kid was as well?
Stupid Las Vegas experience!
Vaughn played 5 roles on Voyager.
Well, 4 roles in Voyager and one product placement advert for the Las Vegas Experience during Endgame.
Point being, is that Janeway could have fell though time and bumped right into all the episodes where Vaughn had been a player.
Bry... This is from Eye of the Needle.
Adult Miral was the Agent of Janeway who collected the Klingon temporal device for Janeway's mad rash plan.
It's really a question, of how much did Miral know?
Kim was fine with Janeway murdering the universe, maybe this kid was as well?
Stupid Las Vegas experience!
Vaughn played 5 roles on Voyager.
Well, 4 roles in Voyager and one product placement advert for the Las Vegas Experience during Endgame.
Point being, is that Janeway could have fell though time and bumped right into all the episodes where Vaughn had been a player.
Bry... This is from Eye of the Needle.
Janeway's actions in Endgame directly contradict her words to the Romulan in Eye Of The Needle. Perhaps as she got older and more cynical she didn't give a crap about altering events in the timeline anymore but it does confirm she's an enormous hypocrite. But we knew that already.
It's interesting that she could have gone back in time to Deep Space 9 and stopped Voyager's mission in the first place or even to Eye Of The Needle and told the Romulan to make sure Voyager doesn't leave DS9. I think she wanted her cake and to eat it. By waiting longer she ensured rescuing the Maquis and Tuvok, freeing Seven from the Borg and allowing Neelix to settle down with his Talaxian girlfriend. You'd almost think she waited until all her friends were good and then changed the timeline. Not a thought for Carey or the various other crewmembers who died over the previous 7 years. Of course it is possible she just didn't want Neelix coming back to the Alpha Quadrant to pester her and that's why she waited until after he departed Voyager.
It's interesting that she could have gone back in time to Deep Space 9 and stopped Voyager's mission in the first place or even to Eye Of The Needle and told the Romulan to make sure Voyager doesn't leave DS9. I think she wanted her cake and to eat it. By waiting longer she ensured rescuing the Maquis and Tuvok, freeing Seven from the Borg and allowing Neelix to settle down with his Talaxian girlfriend. You'd almost think she waited until all her friends were good and then changed the timeline. Not a thought for Carey or the various other crewmembers who died over the previous 7 years. Of course it is possible she just didn't want Neelix coming back to the Alpha Quadrant to pester her and that's why she waited until after he departed Voyager.
^But that was years earlier before she lost anyone she really cared about. If it wasn't ok to chance the timeline then, it wasn't ok to change the timeline when she did.
Yes people can change over the time, but the episode potrayed her motivations for changing the timeline as selfish because she lost pople she cared about.
Yes people can change over the time, but the episode potrayed her motivations for changing the timeline as selfish because she lost pople she cared about.
If Janeway wasn't going to save her father, the rest of time can burn.
Changing time effects trillions of trillions of trillions of individuals until the end of time.
Presumptuously irresponsible barely cookie cuts this level of arrogance.
But it's alright if one of her friends has a booboo.
Changing time effects trillions of trillions of trillions of individuals until the end of time.
Presumptuously irresponsible barely cookie cuts this level of arrogance.
But it's alright if one of her friends has a booboo.
The idea was to kill off someone fans would care about. Unfortunately, since the first season the only appearances Carey made were in flashback episodes set during the first season (Relativity and Fury) leading many in fandom to believe he had been killed at some point, so they were just confused to see he was alive only to be killed like a redshirt anyway.
Hmm, don't know about that. Though he doesn't appear at all after season 1 outside of flashback episodes until Friendship One, he is mentioned occasionally throughout the series. Ironically one such mention was in reference to his death in a Krenim attack in the alternate timeline in Before and After.
It's a shame they never did more with the character. It would have been interesting to see a friendship develop between him and B'Ellanna, especially in later years when she was becoming friendlier with the crew.
Because Admiral Janeway was obsessed with Seven of Nine.
I'm still trying to figure out where I saw that. I don't see it in the Season 7 easter eggs or special features.
However, Star Trek The Magazine did an article on Josh Clark in the Volume 1, Issue 18 of October 2000. I don't have it anymore, but perhaps it's in there. Seems too early though, perhaps in the Communicator magazine. Those were the only magazines I was buying then, but they were difficult to find after the 2 major bookstores near me closed.
It had to be after Seven was rescued from the Borg but before she died. Remember the active imagination of the fans about the true nature of their relationship?
In the episode the reason Admiral Janeway picked that particular time was that it was right when they were passing the Borg hub.
It was weird how they brought back a recognizable character they hadn't used in years except in Fury in the past just to redshirt him. And that was a pretty poorly written episode.
Janeway promoted B'elana because she really thought she was the more talented engineer and decided to trust Chakotay that she could control her violent outbursts. And Janeway didn't hate Carey, the writers hated recurring characters.
In the episode the reason Admiral Janeway picked that particular time was that it was right when they were passing the Borg hub.
It was weird how they brought back a recognizable character they hadn't used in years except in Fury in the past just to redshirt him. And that was a pretty poorly written episode.
Janeway promoted B'elana because she really thought she was the more talented engineer and decided to trust Chakotay that she could control her violent outbursts. And Janeway didn't hate Carey, the writers hated recurring characters.
Admiral Janeway could travel to any time. Arriving before Carey not only saves him, it also gives them far more preparation time for the Borg plan (especially when Admiral Janeway knows captain Janeway won't like the plan).
And if it's all about Seven then why not travel to the point just before she was killed on an away mission? You still save her but without screwing everyone else.
And if it's all about Seven then why not travel to the point just before she was killed on an away mission? You still save her but without screwing everyone else.
Now that I think about it...why have the time travel element at all? Just have them do what they need to do to break through the conduit and that would leave some time for a proper homecoming.
Don't forget the Captain doesn't blindly follow the Admiral's advice. Presumably she waits until Voyager is a close to the Transwarp Hub as possible.
Regular Janeway wussed out.
Admiral Janeway had to know that Captain Janeway is a disagreeable twat.
The only way to get Kathryn Janeway to do anything you want her to do is try to force her to do the opposite of what you want her to do because she is a militant contraian that gets off on proving her self smarter than everyone else around her by always coming up with a different idea than the plan at hand.
Admiral Janeway had to know that Captain Janeway is a disagreeable twat.
The only way to get Kathryn Janeway to do anything you want her to do is try to force her to do the opposite of what you want her to do because she is a militant contraian that gets off on proving her self smarter than everyone else around her by always coming up with a different idea than the plan at hand.
Admiral Janeway knows that captain Janeway is a dick and will want to save the universe rather than get home. I have no doubts the admiral took that into account when formulating her plan. Pretending to have forgotten how "self righteous" captain Janeway was, was all part of the act.
1) Tell captain Janeway about the conduit home.
2) When she finds out that they could inflict a crippling blow against the Borg she refuses to follow the plan.
3) Admiral pretends to be annoyed by this but always secretly knew that this is exactly what she was going to do. Real plan gets under way.
As Guy says, captain Janeway will disagree with you cos she's full of dickishness. Admiral Janeway knows this. Plays things to perfection.
But all of this still could have been done had she shown up earlier (early enough to save Carey). She gets to hang out for a couple of weeks.
So was Carey, apparently. I distinctly remember when Seven came aboard disguised as a Starfleet officer (can't remember which episode it was) and Carey - the MARRIED Carey - was openly hitting on her.
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