He probably banged his head and fell into a coma immediately after "State Of Flux". He awoke just in time to take part in that mission in which he was killed.
That's the most likely scenario as far as I'm concerned
Did Janeway Hate Carey?
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He probably banged his head and fell into a coma immediately after "State Of Flux". He awoke just in time to take part in that mission in which he was killed.
That's the most likely scenario as far as I'm concerned
Just a hypothetical scenario, do you think Admiral Janeway would have come back earlier if it was someone else that died, someone other than Carey?
Yes. She played favourites.
I assumed the opposite.
Captain Janeway and Carey were having a torrid affair that Admiral Janeway did not think needed to be included within her new lease of life.second chance in the AQ.
His death when it happened was good for her love life.
If Joey didn't die, and their relationship had continued on for years more in the Alpha Quadrant, there's so much opportunity and strange that Young Kathy would have had to have passed up.
Not that Nu Kathy was on the same side of the galaxy to have anything like a similar sexual history from what her doppelganger had in the original timeline Janeway shat on till it died.
Admiral Janeway didn't trust Captain Janeway to break up with Joe because she liked him too much.
Steps were taken to take that decision out of junior Kathryn Janeway's hands.
Captain Janeway and Carey were having a torrid affair that Admiral Janeway did not think needed to be included within her new lease of life.second chance in the AQ.
His death when it happened was good for her love life.
If Joey didn't die, and their relationship had continued on for years more in the Alpha Quadrant, there's so much opportunity and strange that Young Kathy would have had to have passed up.
Not that Nu Kathy was on the same side of the galaxy to have anything like a similar sexual history from what her doppelganger had in the original timeline Janeway shat on till it died.
Admiral Janeway didn't trust Captain Janeway to break up with Joe because she liked him too much.
Steps were taken to take that decision out of junior Kathryn Janeway's hands.
I doubt Janeway could corner a man who can fly.
Did Chell even get one tea-service?
Did Chell even get one tea-service?
This. She was creative and an out of the box thinker. More or less had to be given what she'd been working with before. Carey was more of a plodder as I saw him, though he was certainly qualified for the position. Still, would he have come up with the skeletal lock? Methinks not!!
Most likely dead on. He was simply stuck in some dumpy little office off Engineering that we never saw. Probably provisioned to look like a draughtsman's office from the 1960's. Poor schmuck!
It is true that we never saw her again, at least not clearly. I wonder however, if a number of shots, over time, of a science officer working off to the side on the bridge, that at least superficially looked like her, but with poor definition, were meant to suggest that she was there all the time, but there was just no reason to have her engaged and have need to utter any dialogue. I don't know if many other people share that visual impression, but I sensed it frequently.
Well, given they already knew how the series was going to play out, the show runners may have thought it appropriate to have someone die, just to remind people of the danger and vagaries of their journey, even if it did happen to such a minor character. Looked at in that sense, I don't think that I really find it objectionable. They could've had it occur to Tal Celes, Chell, Ayala, or maybe even Vorik (well perhaps not). I do think someone needed to buy the farm at this point though, or else it would have ended up pretty much totally a clean and neat slate when they magically appeared in the company of all those starships.
As far as Carey's family goes, well the boys did get the ship in the bottle to remind them of him. That's something.
Except he wasn't in another solar system when this happened. He was only a hop, skip, and jump away from said honeybunny.
So points to you for your closing remark!!!
Yes, depending on who it was. Sorry Hux, but I don't think Mortimer would have cut it.
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Admiral Janeway could have gone to earlier in time but that wouldn't have allowed her to get them home sooner. She probably still had some hesitancy about going back earlier and trying to correct everything she disliked (and probably figured that Captain Janeway wouldn't have accepted such help). Captain Janeway may also have had so many close calls and crew deaths to even consider accepting help to get home (although both were clearly most motivated by trying to prevent the death of Seven and deterioration of Chakotay and Tuvok). LOL that she wanted to not bring back Neelix (but seriously she could have also wanted to preserve his happy ending).
It's interesting that future Janeway is attacked so much for being selfish but that Miral seemed to knowingly helped her and more clearly Barclay and Kim also came to understand and assist her, I thought that was pretty bold to have so many agree timeline-changing was acceptable.
It's interesting that future Janeway is attacked so much for being selfish but that Miral seemed to knowingly helped her and more clearly Barclay and Kim also came to understand and assist her, I thought that was pretty bold to have so many agree timeline-changing was acceptable.
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Well an episode where everyone said... "You're a psychopath and screwing with everyone's lives like this is total bullshit. Frankly, I'm amazed you made admiral, you mad brush."
Probably wouldn't have been as heartwarming.
I find it odd when people defend her by saying she couldn't go back any further because it would have affected too many lives. Are we honestly gonna pretend that the next 16 years of travelling didn't also affect countless lives?
Probably wouldn't have been as heartwarming.
I find it odd when people defend her by saying she couldn't go back any further because it would have affected too many lives. Are we honestly gonna pretend that the next 16 years of travelling didn't also affect countless lives?
Perhaps Chakotay's death* was the last straw for all of them. Didn't she use the argument that "Our family is not complete" on Harry when he tried to stop her. It's interesting that Barclay threw in his lot with them completely. But I guess it's like he said, he was adopted into the Voyager family.
*Chakotay and Seven's relationship came so far out of left field IMO, that I found it hard to buy into that pined for her for her until his death. At the time when I first watched Endgame I wondered if there was not supposed to be an element of guilt to what Janeway did by changing history. As the captain, she could have felt like she sent Seven to her death.
If it had been Tom instead of Joe Carey that had been killed, do you think that she would have changed history to spare B'Elanna and Miral pain like she did for Chakotay. I think she considered Tom and B'Elanna her personal reclamation projects like she did Seven.
*Chakotay and Seven's relationship came so far out of left field IMO, that I found it hard to buy into that pined for her for her until his death. At the time when I first watched Endgame I wondered if there was not supposed to be an element of guilt to what Janeway did by changing history. As the captain, she could have felt like she sent Seven to her death.
If it had been Tom instead of Joe Carey that had been killed, do you think that she would have changed history to spare B'Elanna and Miral pain like she did for Chakotay. I think she considered Tom and B'Elanna her personal reclamation projects like she did Seven.
I like that idea.
It does still leave Naomi though, and the fact that she seems to be a "free range" child. 
The very few times when she is shown to be under 'adult supervision', it's either Neelix or 7 of 9 who plays at being surrogate parent in the story. One would hope that Samantha herself would have been brought back in to play that role, at least once every so often.... 
The executive producers changed from season to season.
The new regime might not have been so hot on the idea of Samantha's story, or they saw Samantha as the (figurative) property of one of the producers who had buggered off.
There are less nice words to describe the neglect involved here.
The new regime might not have been so hot on the idea of Samantha's story, or they saw Samantha as the (figurative) property of one of the producers who had buggered off.
There are less nice words to describe the neglect involved here.
I remeber way back in S1 "Eye of the Needle" she used the argument can't stop the mission that stranded them in the DQ because of the impact they had had in just a few months, but it's perfectly ok for her to bring them home 16 years earlier and never mind the impact they had in those years.
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he had less personality than Chakotay! just because he had shitty scenes didn't mean he didn't have any. His pessimistic, negative view on life was nails on a chalkboard. did you not see her rolling her eyes? Not inviting. Just like when I'm that way, I wouldn't expect guys to line up for me.
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