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Did Chakotay and Janeway ever have secret romantic feelings for one another

But he said he didn't even open the script at all. He would literally have pages taped to his console.
Well, then he had to open his script to pull out the pages and put them on the console, right--? :lol::rofl:
Where did you hear he did that--? :wtf:

I don't know what happened behind the scenes. I can only go by what I've read in interviews and hear at conventions. He never said he went to producers to talk about his character. Robert Picardo, Robert Duncan McNeil, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew DID talk about going to producers and their characters had much more growth and development. And personally, if I was a writer and an actor was trashing my work, I wouldn't be writing great things for that actor....as his badmouthing the show became more frequent, his screentime decreased...I wonder if that was related ;)
All I'm saying is that I think that badmouthing the show he was on was disrespectful and in poor taste.
Here are some quotes from Beltran’s interview with Star Trek.com in 2012. He does talk about going to the producers, and their response. They had their own ideas about the show. What he says here is similar to what I remember him saying in past interviews. I get it, that his comments bother you on principle, but it just doesn't bother me that an actor explains when he sees things going wrong and why. :shrug: What he said resonated with the frustration of how I was feeling as a viewer, as I was finding a number of episodes and storylines boring in the later seasons.
There’s more, a part 1 and 2 if anyone wants to read the whole thing

http://www.startrek.com/article/catching-up-with-robert-beltran-part-1

Beltran: I think the first three seasons there were a lot of interesting storylines, and then I think a shift happened in the series after Jeri Taylor left. I think any time that a character has an interpersonal relationship that shows growth, and you could say that clearly about Chakotay and the captain. But after Seska left, it was only that relationship with the captain that had depth to it. Chakotay and Tuvok didn’t have much. Chakotay and Paris didn’t have much. Chakotay and the other characters, there wasn’t much of a relationship there. I always regretted that because there was a lot to explore.

Interviewer: You were always honest and open at the time about your displeasure with how Chakotay was utilized on the show. When you raised your concerns, did the powers that be listen?

Beltran: No. No. During the Michael Piller-Jeri Taylor years, they listened intently. It was after that… I guess when Brannon Braga took over, when the Seven of Nine character made her entrance, the focus changed. That was fine with me. That was fine with me, but I think writers have an obligation to fill out all the characters if they’re regular characters on a series.

I think several of the characters were diminished – Chakotay and Tuvok and Kim and Neelix. I think it was just easier for these new writers that came on to write stories about the captain and about characters that weren’t really human, like Seven of Nine and the Doctor. Those three characters were kind of all-seeing, all-knowing, omnipotent, and I think a lot of the tension and drama that was available was lost because you have to really dig hard to find tension in all-knowing, all-seeing characters. They know everything, right? They have all the answers. Or else you have a redundancy of the same scene written over and over and over again, with slight variations.
 
Well, I know that IF CBS had to make a reboot of ST: Voyager (frankly, it is still possible since the major broadcastings, due to their lack of imagination/ideas, had become accustomed in recent years, to make reboots of the old series), I'd like that the idea of a potential romance between both higher commanding officiers on board to be non-existent. And to do that, there is a real difference between them (a huge age difference*, family status where one of the two - and even both are- is married or races unable to reach consensus). The best would be a combination of the 3 options! ;-)

* All the JCers, would you have imagined Janeway/Bujold & Chakotay/Beltran having loving feelings?
 
Well, I know that IF CBS had to make a reboot of ST: Voyager (frankly, it is still possible since the major broadcastings, due to their lack of imagination/ideas, had become accustomed in recent years, to make reboots of the old series), I'd like that the idea of a potential romance between both higher commanding officiers on board to be non-existent. And to do that, there is a real difference between them (a huge age difference*, family status where one of the two - and even both are- is married or races unable to reach consensus). The best would be a combination of the 3 options! ;-)

* All the JCers, would you have imagined Janeway/Bujold & Chakotay/Beltran having loving feelings?
Having seen those scenes with Bujold...I can't imagine her having any feelings at all. She came off so wooden.
 
* All the JCers, would you have imagined Janeway/Bujold & Chakotay/Beltran having loving feelings?
Never thought about it. Probably not. Though I recall in an interview years ago Beltran said one of the reasons he was interested in the role was that he wanted to work with Bujold. :shrug: Many TV shows change direction or add storylines due to the chemistry of actors, or lack thereof.
 
I'm not so sure that nothing happened between Chakotay and Janeway in Resolutions. After his story and their touching of hands, the next scene they are working in a garden with plants growing that are a couple of weeks old and they are certainly more relaxed with each other, she even seems flirtatious (for Janeway, that is). Not to mention her casual hip swinging as they go inside right before they hear the message from Tuvok. But when they hear from Voyager, Janeway is back to her professional self. So I'm not so sure that this didn't develop into something for a couple of weeks, but after being rescued they never looked back on whatever may have happened. Just my impression having just watched the episode yet again, maybe I'm looking for something that is not there...
 
I know it's an old topic and about to be locked, but had to say... I agree with Janeway's policy of not fraternizing ("Lessons" on TNG explains why), but there's no question about the feelings being there. "Resolutions" said it all.
 
I know it's an old topic and about to be locked, but had to say... I agree with Janeway's policy of not fraternizing ("Lessons" on TNG explains why), but there's no question about the feelings being there. "Resolutions" said it all.

Neelix was a Captain.

Her peer and equal.

Open season for kitchen rat ass.
 
Kitchen rat... Lol! :lol:

That's the second frickin' hilarious animal term I've seen today, the first when an angry moderator declared me to be a "drama llama".
 
In the books by Christie Golden, Chakotay breaks up with Seven and then takes command of Voyager with Paris as his second in command, gets to have set with Janeway once before she dies, but they never officially get together... I haven't read the books, couldn't bring myself to. Unpopular opinion: I liked C/7, not J/C, I would've been behind J/C if C/7 never happened.
 
I haven't gotten to Season 7 yet, but is there a S6 or S7 episode that has any good 7/C scenes? Or did it just suddenly become a thing in "Endgame"?
 
I haven't gotten to Season 7 yet, but is there a S6 or S7 episode that has any good 7/C scenes? Or did it just suddenly become a thing in "Endgame"?
Human Error - Seven uses Chakotay Hologram
Natural Law - away mission that doesn't really scream that they're attracted to each other or about to get together and then Endgame which you find out they're on their 3rd date, that was it-
 
Human Error - Seven uses Chakotay Hologram
Natural Law - away mission that doesn't really scream that they're attracted to each other or about to get together and then Endgame which you find out they're on their 3rd date, that was it-

Between scenes on natural law, Jeri asked the director if she and Bob should sex it up? She was told to stop thinking, and read her dang lines.
 
Sounds like it was a pretty flimsy romance, kind of like Ezri/Bashir. The only good thing I can say about the latter is how little airtime was actually devoted to it.
 
Absolutely not. Janeway would have never put herself in that situation with a member of her crew, let alone her first officer.
 
Absolutely not. Janeway would have never put herself in that situation with a member of her crew, let alone her first officer.

No, she wouldn't have, and she didn't, and rightly so. But I still maintain that there was an attraction between the two.
 
No, she wouldn't have, and she didn't, and rightly so. But I still maintain that there was an attraction between the two.
No doubt about it there was. I've been attracted to my female bosses before, and based upon my incredibly good looks and charm, I'm sure the feeling was mutual. However, we knew that the line should never be crossed.
 
No doubt about it there was. I've been attracted to my female bosses before, and based upon my incredibly good looks and charm, I'm sure the feeling was mutual. However, we knew that the line should never be crossed.

And those two knew as well, which is why "Resolutions" ended the way it did. But I still feel a twinge of sorrow, watching Janeway and Chakotay discussing diagnostics and phaser prefire issues.
 
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