Did anyone come up with a rational explanation for how Starfleet's most advanced starship could be taken down by an ancient B'rel class Klingon Bird of Prey? I never bought the explanation that 'Oh, the shields were down.'
Did Anyone Ever Figure Out How...(from GEN)
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Lursa and B'Etor used Geordi's visor (which had been altered by Soran for this purpose) to determine the shield frequency for the Enterprise's shields. Thus, they tuned their distuptors to fire through the shields.
The question for me is why didn't Riker just order the shields be remodulated? And why didn't he unleash the full firepower of the E-D? I would bet that a full spread of torpedoes could have taken care of the Bird of Prey pretty quickly, regardless of its shields...
The question for me is why didn't Riker just order the shields be remodulated? And why didn't he unleash the full firepower of the E-D? I would bet that a full spread of torpedoes could have taken care of the Bird of Prey pretty quickly, regardless of its shields...
Riker's Atari joystick was offline and there was no magnetic pole nearby, so he got confused.
To quote Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face: Luck!
Correct me if I'm wrong - it's been a while since I saw it - but I think there was a line where Worf reported that remodulating the shields had no effect. What essentially happened, I suspect, was that Geordi was the person who remodulated them and, of course, L & B immediately got the new number via his VISOR transmittor.
The only reason the Klingons died was that they were too busy engaging in the Evil Overlord failing of savoring the destruction of their enemy. They should have immediately launched several torpedoes directly into the Enterprise and blown her to kingdom come. Antimatter without a shield to contain it would have vaporized the E. But no...L & B had to peck at the ship for 5 minutes before they finally killed her, and that's why the E had time to kill them instead. They should have read the Evil Overlord List.
The real problem for me has always been why the core ejection failed. That's the last failsafe, so it should be as foolproof as possible. My rationalization has always been that the disruptor bolts just happened to fuse the ejection hatch shut, so the core couldn't be ejected.
Geordi pressed the ejection button, but the "WRITER FIAT" message flashed on his console.
Well, I won't get into the absurdity of ejecting the core to begin with, but it's silly the damn ejection system doesn't work when you NEED it.
As for the BoP beating the -D? Absurd, completely absurf.
The -D as Picard himself says is the Federation's flagship against a 20-year-old BoP and as Be'tor says it's "a Galaxy-class starship we are no match for them."
The -D should've been able to defeat the BOP with no shields and only a single operating phaser bank. It's absurd that the D could lose. Shields or no shields. Come away damages? Sure. But firing everything they've got back at the BoP would've made very short work of them. Unload a couple slavos of 10 torpedoes on them, fire every phaser bank on them and they're done.
The -D stood up against a Borg cube without fully functioning shields without getting so severely damaged they had to eject the core and/or do a saucer-ditch.
Dumb, dumb, dumb. As beautiful the landing effects are and as cool as scene it was to see it played out, the -D was THEIR ship and as much a part of the show as anyone else and it should live on through the movies and died defending the Federation from the Scimitar. THEN they could've done a scene with them ditching the engineering hull and having to crash-land the saucer.
Them destroying the -D in "Generations" reeked of them wanting to destroy it just to destroy it to get a new ship in the next movie.
Never got attached to the -E and I never will. It's got no beauty in it's design, it's to utilitarian/military feeling and just doesn't feel like a warm, inviting place that the -D was.
I loved the -D and miss it dearly.
As for the BoP beating the -D? Absurd, completely absurf.
The -D as Picard himself says is the Federation's flagship against a 20-year-old BoP and as Be'tor says it's "a Galaxy-class starship we are no match for them."
The -D should've been able to defeat the BOP with no shields and only a single operating phaser bank. It's absurd that the D could lose. Shields or no shields. Come away damages? Sure. But firing everything they've got back at the BoP would've made very short work of them. Unload a couple slavos of 10 torpedoes on them, fire every phaser bank on them and they're done.
The -D stood up against a Borg cube without fully functioning shields without getting so severely damaged they had to eject the core and/or do a saucer-ditch.
Dumb, dumb, dumb. As beautiful the landing effects are and as cool as scene it was to see it played out, the -D was THEIR ship and as much a part of the show as anyone else and it should live on through the movies and died defending the Federation from the Scimitar. THEN they could've done a scene with them ditching the engineering hull and having to crash-land the saucer.
Them destroying the -D in "Generations" reeked of them wanting to destroy it just to destroy it to get a new ship in the next movie.
Never got attached to the -E and I never will. It's got no beauty in it's design, it's to utilitarian/military feeling and just doesn't feel like a warm, inviting place that the -D was.
I loved the -D and miss it dearly.
But odds are, it already is. That's as good as it's ever going to get.
I mean, the task is immense. Here we have a complex set of plumbing with antimatter flowing through it, and we want to get rid of it without blowing up the ship in the process. But not all the plumbing is neatly packaged in something that can be fired off. There are various antimatter-filled components, at least the antimatter tanks and the actual reaction core, that are connected by leads that are also full of antimatter most of the time. It's a very complex process of purging and sealing, and if any one part of it fails, any attempt at ejecting the other components may trigger disaster.
We've never really seen a ship and her crew saved from a core explosion through a core ejection - and indeed we could argue that this is seldom if ever possible, and perhaps not even a design goal. Rather, the ejection might be a means of limiting the final explosion that will always kill the crew: with the core and the tanks ejected, at least the explosion will not kill other crews in the fleet or on the nearby planet.
Timo Saloniemi
Didn't this happen in a Voyager episode -- Resolutions (2x25)?
In "Day of Honor", the core was ejected but didn't go kaboom, so we cannot really argue that the ejection saved the ship from a core explosion. Rather, we should argue that the decision to eject was a bad one, since there was not going to be an explosion. (And never mind that the intact core was then stolen by nasty aliens!)
In ST:INS, the core is also ejected and does go kaboom, but again, the ship is not saved from a core explosion. Instead, the unharmed core is ejected and then deliberately detonated for an entirely different purpose - of sealing a subspace rift.
The Voyager core is also ejected in "Cathexis", but again for reasons other than an imminent explosion. The E-D attempts core ejection in a couple of episodes, but always fails.
(In "Resolutions", they eject an antimatter tank and detonate it to create a big, Vidiian-dispersing kaboom.)
Timo Saloniemi
In ST:INS, the core is also ejected and does go kaboom, but again, the ship is not saved from a core explosion. Instead, the unharmed core is ejected and then deliberately detonated for an entirely different purpose - of sealing a subspace rift.
The Voyager core is also ejected in "Cathexis", but again for reasons other than an imminent explosion. The E-D attempts core ejection in a couple of episodes, but always fails.
(In "Resolutions", they eject an antimatter tank and detonate it to create a big, Vidiian-dispersing kaboom.)
Timo Saloniemi
They missed a great opportunity for a dramatic moment there...after the first hit got through, they should have changed the shield frequency, and intercut as Geordi can't figure out how they're doing it, until he finally realizes that it's HIM and he'd rip the visor off...by which point it'd be too late.
Which still wouldn't have explained why Riker didn't just let em have it.
Which still wouldn't have explained why Riker didn't just let em have it.
Exactly.
The same logic applies. It probably happened, the director just decided not to show it to us.
All the exterior shots are of the Klingons firing on the heroes. But the interior shots on the Klingon ship show Starfleet weapons impacting on them, and those on the hero ship feature background sounds of the Starfleet guns firing. Apparently, Riker did fire back a lot.
It just didn't do any good. Which may have been thanks to Soran upgrading the Duras sisters' shields the same way he was able to seemingly casually create other technological marvels, from starkiller weapons to VISOR taps and intravascular interrogation machines.
Again, the Twisted Sisters do remark on this: "Our shields are holding!" in the same voice you'd use for "That truck just bounced off my chest!"... And again, the director just fails to tell us the whole story.
Timo Saloniemi
Easy - the Bird of Prey's torpedoes didn't go through the Enterprise's shields. They went sailing through all the numerous plot holes in the script.
ROFLMAO.........You got me there......made me spray my tea out.....
Well, I won't get into the absurdity of ejecting the core to begin with, but it's silly the damn ejection system doesn't work when you NEED it.
As for the BoP beating the -D? Absurd, completely absurf.
The -D as Picard himself says is the Federation's flagship against a 20-year-old BoP and as Be'tor says it's "a Galaxy-class starship we are no match for them."
The -D should've been able to defeat the BOP with no shields and only a single operating phaser bank. It's absurd that the D could lose. Shields or no shields. Come away damages? Sure. But firing everything they've got back at the BoP would've made very short work of them. Unload a couple slavos of 10 torpedoes on them, fire every phaser bank on them and they're done.
The -D stood up against a Borg cube without fully functioning shields without getting so severely damaged they had to eject the core and/or do a saucer-ditch.
Dumb, dumb, dumb. As beautiful the landing effects are and as cool as scene it was to see it played out, the -D was THEIR ship and as much a part of the show as anyone else and it should live on through the movies and died defending the Federation from the Scimitar. THEN they could've done a scene with them ditching the engineering hull and having to crash-land the saucer.
Them destroying the -D in "Generations" reeked of them wanting to destroy it just to destroy it to get a new ship in the next movie.
Never got attached to the -E and I never will. It's got no beauty in it's design, it's to utilitarian/military feeling and just doesn't feel like a warm, inviting place that the -D was.
I loved the -D and miss it dearly.
I agree...I always loved the D. Kills me to see it blow up like that.
Easy - the Bird of Prey's torpedoes didn't go through the Enterprise's shields. They went sailing through all the numerous plot holes in the script.
ROFLMAO.........You got me there......made me spray my tea out.....
My pleasure! My work here is done...
I like to pretend that the Klingons somehow managed to get Geordi to enhance the BOP's shields while he was being held captive. He just doesn't remember because he was drugged.
Still the Enterprise is oders of magnitude more powerful than BoP it really should've been no contest.
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