This is kind of a tangent to this discussion, but the Pentagon has a rank insignia page for officers and another for enlisted personnel.
Did a admiral ever show up on tos?
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I guess it's a good thing North Korean military couture isn't employed in the fictional world of Starfleet.
No captain would be allowed on the bridge without fifty medals hanging from their chests.
No captain would be allowed on the bridge without fifty medals hanging from their chests.
Although, for sheer sleeve space, it's hard to top original USN admiral David G. Farragut:
--Justin
Wow! As a last line of defense, these guys can clobber the enemy sailors with their shirtsleeves.
Not too gawdy
Ahhhh, yes. Captain Oog Neanderthal. He on five-year mission to make fire and wheel!
Not too gawdy
Ahhhh, yes. Captain Oog Neanderthal. He on five-year mission to make fire and wheel!
Spock. We just received our new orders from the admiral. We're to "go in our metal bird and beat enemies with stick".
Disregard my last. Misread the title headings. Excellent resource above...
Well, I always thought for TOS admiral braids, it would've worked to use the thick gold braid and build from within it. For example, you could have a broken stripe in the middle of the braid to signify a rear admiral, then a complete braid for a vice admiral, then a thick braid like the border braids for a full admiral set in the middle, while the commander, starfleet could have a star above the the thick braid. -- RR
The only problem I see with that is it's pretty low-contrast, you'd have to be right up close to the officer to tell a rear admiral from a full admiral. And it would be harder for civilians than simply counting stripes. Admirals like everybody to know how important they are, and they're the ones that make the uniform rules!
--Justin
Not too gawdy
Ahhhh, yes. Captain Oog Neanderthal. He on five-year mission to make fire and wheel!
Spock. We just received our new orders from the admiral. We're to "go in our metal bird and beat enemies with stick".
Make shiny black firebox shoot lightning from the gods!
Ahhhh, yes. Captain Oog Neanderthal. He on five-year mission to make fire and wheel!
Spock. We just received our new orders from the admiral. We're to "go in our metal bird and beat enemies with stick".
Make shiny black firebox shoot lightning from the gods!
My mother's calling. I'll put her on speaker.
You have a point. You could always just put stars in the gold band to save space on the sleeves, too. -- RR
Ahhhh, yes. Captain Oog Neanderthal. He on five-year mission to make fire and wheel!
Spock. We just received our new orders from the admiral. We're to "go in our metal bird and beat enemies with stick".
Make shiny black firebox shoot lightning from the gods!
Mr. Pointy Ear make science. Look into glowing thing...tell us where to go Asian man!
I've always kind of liked one conjectural system I've seen for TOS admirals.
Rear admiral - as commodore, with an extra stripe across the middle of the gold mesh.
Vice admiral - as RA, with a stripe above the other stripes.
Admiral - as VA, with two stripes above the other stripes.
Fleet Admiral - As admiral, but with gold mesh between all five stripes.
Rear admiral - as commodore, with an extra stripe across the middle of the gold mesh.
Vice admiral - as RA, with a stripe above the other stripes.
Admiral - as VA, with two stripes above the other stripes.
Fleet Admiral - As admiral, but with gold mesh between all five stripes.
Here's another possibility, although it was never seen in TOS:
Captain - non-flag rank, same as seen in TOS
Fleet Captain - lowest flag rank, one step above captain, with one thick solid band bordered by braids
Commodore - equivalent to a US rear admiral, with the fleet captain's thick band and one "dotted" braid stripe above
Vice-Admiral - a fleet captain thick band, and one solid braid stripe above.
Admiral - a fleet captain thick band and two "dotted" braid srtipes, one above and one below
Fleet Admiral - a fleet captain thick band with two solid braid stripes, one above and one below
Captain - non-flag rank, same as seen in TOS
Fleet Captain - lowest flag rank, one step above captain, with one thick solid band bordered by braids
Commodore - equivalent to a US rear admiral, with the fleet captain's thick band and one "dotted" braid stripe above
Vice-Admiral - a fleet captain thick band, and one solid braid stripe above.
Admiral - a fleet captain thick band and two "dotted" braid srtipes, one above and one below
Fleet Admiral - a fleet captain thick band with two solid braid stripes, one above and one below
FASA made the interesting suggestion in their RPG that fleet captain was actually above commodore, although it's traditionally been assumed to be between captain and commodore. There were only ever a few fleet captains in service at any time, and their job was to oversee the development of new lead design classes like the Galaxy class. In the system I mentioned above, fleet captain has three solid stripes. The RA insignia could this be seen as a variant.
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