See, I am of the opinion that some of the fans are so rigid, so close-minded in their acceptance of mainstream in Trek, that JJ Abrams failed before those same people saw one frame
of footage
tell me I have those types pegged wrong? Cause, it feels dead on true
What utter horse shit.
He said "some of the fans." Are you implying that EVERY fan has been absolutely open minded about the new take on the films?
It seems those that loved the film take offense at every person who didn't have a gooey orgasm while sitting watching the film and every time they thought about it afterward.
Not true. However we have ENJOYED such lines as "Ahur Jar Jar Abrahams is raping Gene Goddenberry's vision" and "TRUE Trek fans would not accept such tripe" and "The ONLY people who like this film are short-attention spanned, MTV Generation loving teenagers who have no brain." This was said by some people, even on this forum (or any) even before the first frame of the film was seen. Mostly out of bitterness that there would be no more TNG films. And please, don't deny this. I'm not saying that you have said it, but don't act as though there is absolutely no reason that from time to time someone might get a little jumpy. K?
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And JJ Trek indicates that people want it to go in a Transformers-2-style popcorn direction, which is not historically how Trek fans saw the property. So you are going to have a block of fans revolt and I say, more power to them.
But to cry foul over it is just to try to stifle free expression. I've seen this on any forum. The argument ultimately shifts to whether people have a right not to like something or whether this or that venue is an appropriate one in order to criticize. Now, granted, this is a JJ Trek thread, so maybe it breaks netiquette to bash JJ Trek here, since you're going to have a concentration of JJ Trek fans, but in general, certainly Trek fans have a right to dislike any piece of the 40+ year franchise.
Anyone is entitled to express an opinion about the last movie, the one coming up, or about JJ-Trek generally.
As I said earlier in this thread, though, I'd prefer that we limited discussion to subjects pertinent to the
movies, to articles and media
about the movies, and to the
ideas and opinions about those movies which have been expressed by those participating in these discussions. I'd very much prefer that we
stay away from
criticisms of any particular fan group, whether pro- or anti- Abrams Trek; those very often tend not to go in productive directions, and if someone at any point raises such a criticism of a particular fan group, I'd suggest the best thing one could do would be to let it pass without a response. The ideal discussion of that sort is the one which never gets started.
BillJ, you should have noted that I'd
already addressed Matt S's poke at "some fans" and instead left it be without further response.
Devon, same message concerning
BillJ's response - that didn't need stirring up again and it would have been better simply let go.
mos6507, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't keep prodding nuTrek fans, trying to provoke a reaction; we
get that it's not your favorite, but it's still possible to have some sort of discussion about the movie without resorting to cheap and obvious ploys such as:
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In other words--a sellout.
or
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If you don't like fans with strong opinions, you've picked the wrong place to hang out. Deal with it.
or
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Trek became popular again by appealing to the lowest common denominator and I don't like that.
Those only make you look like you're here to start something. It's not a problem if you disagree, but I'd much rather you came to discuss than disparage, and and I'd much rather you came to talk about reasons you liked or disliked specific aspects than to take broad swipes at groups of fans for not holding opinions identical to yours. If you must set a chip on your shoulder or take cheap shots at other fans, please do it elsewhere, because I don't wish to have to put up with it here.
