Re: Where the heck is Delta Vega? (Spoiler Alert)
LaPlot... *chuckle*
LaPlot... *chuckle*
Delta Vega
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Yes, Vulcan isn't the size of Jupiter or anything, but I see that as artistic license, but this couldn't have been THE classic Delta Vega location no matter what, though I loved the idea that it explain how Scotty could easily disassemble the place in WNMHGB, and even gives him a reason to relish it.
Such is the new Star Trek multiverse we have been given. One without beards, ridges on Rommies, and British Klingons???
But Scotty didn't disassemble it, Kelso did, prompting the line: "You're a talented thief, Kelso."
"Delta Vega" is the "Springfield" of the Trek Universe.
Heh heh. While watching the abysmal X-Men Origins: Wolverine last night, we residents of the Dayton, Ohio, area laughed when a scene began that was said to be set in Springfield, Ohio, a city that's just a hop, skip and a jump from Dayton. I suspect that the movie's Springfield, Ohio, was a different city than our Springfield, Ohio.
Maybe it wasn't Delta Vega, but D'el Ta V'e Ga in the Vulcan language. Our human ears just heard it as Delta Vega.
Whatever works?
The larger problem would be Vulcan's bright blue sky... or not.
Whatever works?
The larger problem would be Vulcan's bright blue sky... or not.
Well, I don't think any episode (outside of fan fiction) has ever established the location of Vulcan, so who's to say it's not in the Vega star system?
If Delta Vega is within visual range of Vulcan, then perhaps the actual Terran name of Vulcan is Gamma Vega, and the actual name of the Vulcan inhabitants would be Vegans. (It has after all, been established that Vulcans don't eat meat, so I think calling them Vegans makes perfect sense. Think about it.)
In "The Mark of Gideon," it was stated that Kirk had Vegan choriomeningitis. Surely he didn't contract that virus on the barren Delta Vega. More likely he got it from some Vulcan (i.e., Vegan) that he had been in contact with.
If Delta Vega is within visual range of Vulcan, then perhaps the actual Terran name of Vulcan is Gamma Vega, and the actual name of the Vulcan inhabitants would be Vegans. (It has after all, been established that Vulcans don't eat meat, so I think calling them Vegans makes perfect sense. Think about it.)
In "The Mark of Gideon," it was stated that Kirk had Vegan choriomeningitis. Surely he didn't contract that virus on the barren Delta Vega. More likely he got it from some Vulcan (i.e., Vegan) that he had been in contact with.
Re: Where the heck is Delta Vega? (Spoiler Alert)
I loved the movie, but I have to agree on this one. That "explanation" from Kurtzman and Orci makes me want to slap my forehead. It's somebody saying, "I know you love your flower garden, so I picked them all and put them in vases."
Or, to put it another way: "Fan Service - Yer Doin' It Wrong!"
I loved the movie, but I have to agree on this one. That "explanation" from Kurtzman and Orci makes me want to slap my forehead. It's somebody saying, "I know you love your flower garden, so I picked them all and put them in vases."
Or, to put it another way: "Fan Service - Yer Doin' It Wrong!"
The planet had to be t'Khut, Vulcan's sister planet, for Spock to have seen the destruction of Vulcan the way he did.
The only explanation that I can come up with that makes any sense is that Delta Vega was just the name of the outpost, not the planet. The original Delta Vega outpost at the edge of the galaxy was on a distant planet probably not noteworthy enough to have an actual name, just a catalog number, so people would refer to the planet itself as Delta Vega as well. In the new timeline, the outposts were built in a different order and Starfleet ended up calling their outpost on t'Khut Delta Vega and the one on the edge of the galaxy something else; Delta Altair perhaps.
There's apparently an "Epsilon" series of outposts along the Klingon border, so maybe this is one of the "Delta" series.
As for Vulcan's blue sky, that doesn't bother me at all. If Vulcan has a breathable atmosphere, it has to have a blue sky normally. The sky could turn red at times due to dust in the atmosphere, especially near sunrise/sunset (as on Earth) or after large sandstorms (as on Mars).
Edit: I don't think Spock psychically "saw" the destruction of Vulcan; he looked up in the sky and saw it with his eyes. Nero wanted to make sure Spock would witness its destruction, and put him someplace where he would be sure to see it. Kirk's pod was ejected onto the planet while Enterprise was still right next to where Vulcan was.
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Re: Where the heck is Delta Vega? (Spoiler Alert)
That's true, assuming "Delta Vega" is actually the twin planet we saw in the sky in TMP (usually called t'Khut) once Vulcan was destroyed it might shift into an eccentric orbit. That's not really a problem however, for two reasons:
1. It would take months for the new orbit to affect t'Khut/Delta Vega's climate. Plenty of time to rescue the few inhabitants (and Kirk).
2. Vulcan's mass is still there in the black hole, assuming the red matter-created black hole works anything like real ones. t'Khut/Delta Vega would keep orbiting along with the black hole as if nothing had happened.
That's true, assuming "Delta Vega" is actually the twin planet we saw in the sky in TMP (usually called t'Khut) once Vulcan was destroyed it might shift into an eccentric orbit. That's not really a problem however, for two reasons:
1. It would take months for the new orbit to affect t'Khut/Delta Vega's climate. Plenty of time to rescue the few inhabitants (and Kirk).
2. Vulcan's mass is still there in the black hole, assuming the red matter-created black hole works anything like real ones. t'Khut/Delta Vega would keep orbiting along with the black hole as if nothing had happened.
Re: Where the heck is Delta Vega? (Spoiler Alert)
There we go.
Thomas Riker said:
You're thinking of Delta Vega Omicron... Kirk and Old Spock were on Delta Vega Vulcanis.
There we go.
Will the real Delta Vega step forward
I understand they wanted to use a planet which had resonance for us fans, but it was jarring and I don't like it!
Delta Vega IS NOT in the Vulcan system.
I understand they wanted to use a planet which had resonance for us fans, but it was jarring and I don't like it!
Delta Vega IS NOT in the Vulcan system.
Re: Will the real Delta Vega step forward
It's a generic name; there could be thousands of Delta Vegas in the galaxy -- as someone has already pointed out (multiple times probably): like "Springfield."
Even in the U.S. there are at least two municiple entities, called "Las Vegas" -- one in Nevada and one in New Mexico. I'd guess there must be more in Spanish-speaking countries.
It's a generic name; there could be thousands of Delta Vegas in the galaxy -- as someone has already pointed out (multiple times probably): like "Springfield."
Even in the U.S. there are at least two municiple entities, called "Las Vegas" -- one in Nevada and one in New Mexico. I'd guess there must be more in Spanish-speaking countries.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Will the real Delta Vega step forward
No, Delta Vega isn't in the Vulcan Star System but Delta Vega 5 (the fifth planet with the name Delta Vega) is.
No, Delta Vega isn't in the Vulcan Star System but Delta Vega 5 (the fifth planet with the name Delta Vega) is.
Re: Will the real Delta Vega step forward
Kind of makes me wonder what future astronomers will wind up naming the several hundred extrasolar planets that have been discovered in the past few decades...
Not sure if there really are any planets orbiting 40 Eridani A, but if they don't name at least one of them Vulcan, then an ugly letter is comming their way
Kind of makes me wonder what future astronomers will wind up naming the several hundred extrasolar planets that have been discovered in the past few decades...
Not sure if there really are any planets orbiting 40 Eridani A, but if they don't name at least one of them Vulcan, then an ugly letter is comming their way
Re: Will the real Delta Vega step forward
Good point! I guess it's just the Eridani system now...
By the way, why was it ever called the "Vulcan" system? Aren't star systems named for, well, stars? The Sol System? The juHHov system? Alpha Centauri?
For a logical race, they are sure anthropocentric...or vulcanpocentric
...whatever...
Good point! I guess it's just the Eridani system now...
By the way, why was it ever called the "Vulcan" system? Aren't star systems named for, well, stars? The Sol System? The juHHov system? Alpha Centauri?
For a logical race, they are sure anthropocentric...or vulcanpocentric
...whatever...
Re: Will the real Delta Vega step forward
It's always useful to hear the writers thoughts on some matters.
So for what its worth...
Orci from trekmovie
It's always useful to hear the writers thoughts on some matters.
So for what its worth...
Orci from trekmovie
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Re: Will the real Delta Vega step forward
You're forgetting universal translators. When the Eridani system was discovered to be the Vulcan home system it was probably renamed the Vulcan system so people would know where other people are talking about. To the Vulcans it would be called something else but when translated into English it comes out as 'Vulcan System'.
You could mention the Eridani system to someone on Earth in the Trek Universe and they'd say "where?" and then the person would say "ya know, the Vulcan system" and they'd be like "oh the Vulcan system, why didn't you just say that, how am I supposed to remember the names of all the star systems".
Good point! I guess it's just the Eridani system now...
By the way, why was it ever called the "Vulcan" system? Aren't star systems named for, well, stars? The Sol System? The juHHov system? Alpha Centauri?
For a logical race, they are sure anthropocentric...or vulcanpocentric
You're forgetting universal translators. When the Eridani system was discovered to be the Vulcan home system it was probably renamed the Vulcan system so people would know where other people are talking about. To the Vulcans it would be called something else but when translated into English it comes out as 'Vulcan System'.
You could mention the Eridani system to someone on Earth in the Trek Universe and they'd say "where?" and then the person would say "ya know, the Vulcan system" and they'd be like "oh the Vulcan system, why didn't you just say that, how am I supposed to remember the names of all the star systems".
Re: Will the real Delta Vega step forward
Makes sense...I've just always loved astronomy...
And who needs universal translators when you've got a hot communications officer who's fluent in "all three dialects" of Romulan?
Good point! I guess it's just the Eridani system now...
By the way, why was it ever called the "Vulcan" system? Aren't star systems named for, well, stars? The Sol System? The juHHov system? Alpha Centauri?
For a logical race, they are sure anthropocentric...or vulcanpocentric
You're forgetting universal translators. When the Eridani system was discovered to be the Vulcan home system it was probably renamed the Vulcan system so people would know where other people are talking about. To the Vulcans it would be called something else but when translated into English it comes out as 'Vulcan System'.
You could mention the Eridani system to someone on Earth in the Trek Universe and they'd say "where?" and then the person would say "ya know, the Vulcan system" and they'd be like "oh the Vulcan system, why didn't you just say that, how am I supposed to remember the names of all the star systems".
Makes sense...I've just always loved astronomy...
And who needs universal translators when you've got a hot communications officer who's fluent in "all three dialects" of Romulan?
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