Defiant vs. Enterprise-E (Sorry, I'm new here)

[Subcommander R.]

Sovereign. The Enterprise E is a Sovereign class. I'd put the Defiant on a win against any Galaxy (except Enterprise D), but not against any Sovereign.

IMO, cloaking devices are for Romulans. And I guess those scavenging Klingons who are reliant on Romulan hand-me-downs for technology.

 

[Paradon]

Doesn't it use a lot of energy because it has to mask huge amount of energy? Traveling thousands of light years and faster than light would require tremendous of energy. I think that's why the Klingons use plasma coil to power their computer in order to be able to control their ships while redirecting all the main power from the warp coil to create a cloaking field. The Romulans use an artificial singularity to power their ships by harnessing the power from it.

 

[Maxillius]

My money's on the Defiant. Sneak in between E-E's nacelles under cloak, drop a couple antimatter mines, move off to a safe distance still cloaked, blow the mines, then Sisko captures Enterprise. Job done.

 

[The_Baroness]

I'd bet on the Defiant too.

Small, highly manouverable target with tons of firepower vs large less manouverable target with tons of firepower.

Enterprise is bound to have a blind spot that the Defiant could exploit too, which, Worf would know about.

Failing that, take Odo on board and chuck him out of the airlock and make him change into a big effin' cannon.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Assuming TNG Worf is on the Enterprise and DS9 Worf is on the Defiant, DS9 Worf would destroy TNG Worf to show how much stronger DS9 Worf was. Worf would demonstrate The Worf Effect on Worf.

Thread won. +12 internets for you, sir.

Yeah but, TNG Worf + DS9 Worf = NEM Worf... who is on the E-E.

Add to that the Defiant was evenly matched with a suped-up refitted Excelsior-class... The Enterprise-E wins.

 

[The Librarian]

The Ent-E is forty times larger than the Defiant and is also (at least supposedly) built primarily as a warship. Not only that, but we've seen it pull off pretty much the same kind of manuevers as the Defiant, and its phaser arrays are perfectly capable of hitting much smaller targets. Just look at what the E-D did to those Lysian fighters, or for that matter how the Lakota never missed once. Unless the Defiant pulls some sort of cloaking trick, it's going to get smacked apart the instant it enters range.

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

Assuming TNG Worf is on the Enterprise and DS9 Worf is on the Defiant, DS9 Worf would destroy TNG Worf to show how much stronger DS9 Worf was. Worf would demonstrate The Worf Effect on Worf.

Thread won. +12 internets for you, sir.

Yeah but, TNG Worf + DS9 Worf = NEM Worf... who is on the E-E.

Add to that the Defiant was evenly matched with a suped-up refitted Excelsior-class... The Enterprise-E wins.

No, you can't take away my 12 internets! I won't let you!

Good point, however. NEM Worf didn't do much of anything, though. So DS9 Worf still kills TNG Worf, but then the E comes out on top in the end. So we both win. Here, let's split the 12 internets 50/50.

Thanks, Herkimer.

 

[Satyrquaze]

^ Well played... *Takes his 6 Internets and runs*

 

[el Chalupacabra]

Sovereign. The Enterprise E is a Sovereign class. I'd put the Defiant on a win against any Galaxy (except Enterprise D), but not against any Sovereign.

IMO, cloaking devices are for Romulans. And I guess those scavenging Klingons who are reliant on Romulan hand-me-downs for technology.

Hey, Galaxy Class ships were no slouches! Some people just assume they are. That was mainly due to the incompetence of Captain Keogh letting The Odyssey get destroyed by a Jem'Hadar suicide run.


Not to mention, I don't think a Defiant class ship could take out a post-USS Odyssey-destruction refit of the Galaxy class, during the Dominion War. Since the Galaxy class ships were still at the forefront of the charge against Cardassia, tt's reasonable to assume the Galaxy class was modified to be more of a warship and troop transport, than just the general purpose, family oriented explorer\battle cruiser the 1701D and Odyssey were. Given its size, it is not unreasonable to assume more phaser arrays and photon\quantum torpedo arrays were mounted on the Galaxy class ships.

 

[Subcommander R.]

I never said they were. But at that point the Defiant would be newer and more evenly matched. I still don't put them on the winning side if they're against the Enterprise, but I think a more generic crew wouldn't be so successful.

And I totally never paid attention to the whole Dominion War plot. DS9 lost me when Sisko went bald and grew facial hair. *yawn*

 

[el Chalupacabra]

I never said they were. But at that point the Defiant would be newer and more evenly matched. I still don't put them on the winning side if they're against the Enterprise, but I think a more generic crew wouldn't be so successful.

I agree, I was just giving you a hard time

And I totally never paid attention to the whole Dominion War plot. DS9 lost me when Sisko went bald and grew facial hair. *yawn*

That's when things started getting interesting!

 

[infinix]

And I totally never paid attention to the whole Dominion War plot. DS9 lost me when Sisko went bald and grew facial hair. *yawn*

Gasp... and you made fleet captain. Shame on you.

I implore you to go back and watch the entire Dominion War arc. Hands down the best segment of story in Trek history.

 

[Elias Vaughn]

While the E-E is as tough as, if not tougher than, the Defiant, I'd still have to give this to the tough little ship.

Why?

Their captains.

Don't get me wrong, Picard was no slouch in the tactical department, but he always struck me as explorer/diplomat first, warrior second. Sisko, on the other hand, was one of the top tactical advisers to Ross during the war. I think his tactics would beat whatever technological edge the E-E would have over the Defiant.

Just my two cents.

 

[JB2005]

They fight it out believing each other is controlled by the Borg. Who'd win?

The Borg.

This.

 

[el Chalupacabra]

While the E-E is as tough as, if not tougher than, the Defiant, I'd still have to give this to the tough little ship.

Why?

Their captains.

Don't get me wrong, Picard was no slouch in the tactical department, but he always struck me as explorer/diplomat first, warrior second. Sisko, on the other hand, was one of the top tactical advisers to Ross during the war. I think his tactics would beat whatever technological edge the E-E would have over the Defiant.

Just my two cents.

Ever hear of the Picard maneuver? How many maneuvers does Sisko have named after him? Not to mention Picard is more seasoned and has a lot more experience under his belt.

Where Sisko is brash and all soldier in a lot of ways, Picard is more a Sun TZu-ist, in that he believes the best way to win a battle is not to fight one, ie diplomacy. But once he has to fight, its on, and I think Picard could out-think Sisko.

 

[Maxillius]

Dunno about that. Picard's one maneuver relies both on a technologically inferior opponent, and fighting in very close quarters. In a Sovereign vs. Defiant fight, it is in the Sovereign's best interest to keep the Defiant away to give the computers a chance to lock targets. Any Defiant skipper with a brain knows that his ship is small, and a small ship's best chance, indeed it's combat purpose, is close-quarters combat, so a Defiant is going to do everything it can to stay close, and I don't think there is anything a Sovereign can do short of running away to change the odds into its favor.

Best result Enterprise can hope for is escape.

 

[T'Girl]

^^^ Keep your friends close -- keep your enemies closer.

Let the Defiant get in closer, point blank range if it will, then knock it out of commission. That's what the Borg did in FC. Who won using that particular tactic? Borg one, Defiant zero.

The Defiant played no part in the cube's destruction.

 

[el Chalupacabra]

Dunno about that. Picard's one maneuver relies both on a technologically inferior opponent, and fighting in very close quarters. In a Sovereign vs. Defiant fight, it is in the Sovereign's best interest to keep the Defiant away to give the computers a chance to lock targets. Any Defiant skipper with a brain knows that his ship is small, and a small ship's best chance, indeed it's combat purpose, is close-quarters combat, so a Defiant is going to do everything it can to stay close, and I don't think there is anything a Sovereign can do short of running away to change the odds into its favor.

Best result Enterprise can hope for is escape.

I can see where that could be confusing on my part. Apologies.

I was just saying Picard was bright enough to devise a new maneuver, and that he is a brilliant tactician in addition to being a great diplomat.

BTW,I don't know the Picard Maneuver would be applicable against the Defiant.

 

[Maxillius]

Oh, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't! I'm just saying that was Picard's only tactical manual contribution.

There is a way a Sovereign could hold out, but such a victory would be costly.

 

[el Chalupacabra]

Oh, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't! I'm just saying that was Picard's only tactical manual contribution.

There is a way a Sovereign could hold out, but such a victory would be costly.

I am not saying it would necessarily be an easy win for Picard. Sisko isn't dumb, and may even be equal to Picard tactically, when Picard was younger.

Even though in real life PS is only 8 years older than AB, in the trekverse, Sisko (born 2332) is almost 30 years younger than Picard (born 2305). I just think Picard has a lot more experience to draw on.

Also, you have to keep in mind, Defiant was a prototype that was scrapped for a reason; it was unstable. Desperation, and Sisko's arm twisting at Starfleet is what brought it out of mothball, and necessity is what kept that class of ship around. Sovereign class is a culmination of what had been learned since Defiant was created, and is proven technology that has been deployed to the front lines.