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Deep Space 9 and Vulcans

Re: Deep Space Nine And Vulcans

Crewman6 said:
Vulcans were never anything more than bit players on TNG - with the exception of Spock and Sarek, obviously. DS9 gave 'em at least a few moments to shine.

TNG certainly downplayed the Vulcans, but it wound up with only slightly less guest Vulcans than DS9. What I think is particularly bizarre is that the three shows with Vulcan regulars had the least guest Vulcan appearances. Naturally, that's because two of them had quite a short run, and the third was in an area of space Vulcans are kind of hard to run into....
 
Re: Deep Space Nine And Vulcans

Kegek said:
For its smallest number of guest Vulcans, TOS gave us some of the highest quality Vulcan guest stars; none of DS9's far more ample guest Vulcan cast were as interesting as Sarek or T'Pau.

Paradoxical, innit? ;)

Really?

You consider T'Pau interesting? She's just a big bitch, what's so interesting about that?

Granted, the baseball Vulcan was probably no more, but at least you get some personal stuff on the guy. T'Pau, apart from insulting humans every other sentence for no real reason, which really doesn't give us much on her personally, is just doing her duty. T'Pau only becomes interesting through second hand accounts (Kirk and McCoy's awe) and her characterization in subsequent novels. Amok Time, doesn't really do much with her.

No, the Vulcan Maquis woman that Quark convinces through some logic of his own, I find far more interesting than T'Pau.
 
Re: Deep Space Nine And Vulcans

3D Master said:
Really?

You consider T'Pau interesting? She's just a big bitch, what's so interesting about that?

Language, language. :p

What do I find interesting about a dry, opaque, ruthless old hag? I think I just answered my own question. Remorselessly logical and amorally traditional, she's one of TOS's most intriguing guest stars as she's not quite a villain, but also she forces Kirk and Spock into a fight to the death.

But it's no big deal to her, it's just tradition and they can back out if they want, though they'd be cowards to do so, of course, nyah nyah... and not only does this activity go unpunished, she gets Kirk off the hook as well by retroactively 'requesting' the Enterprise go to Vulcan, though she'd have been just as indifferent to him dead.

We know what T'Pring and Stonn want, in the end. We know what Spock learns he wants. But T'Pau seemed to be screwing with us, sticking to her guidebook and totally unpeturbed by any possible conclusion. Every time I watch "Amok Time" I spend most of the latter half analysing T'Pau.

Granted, the baseball Vulcan was probably no more, but at least you get some personal stuff on the guy. T'Pau, apart from insulting humans every other sentence for no real reason, which really doesn't give us much on her personally, is just doing her duty.

Solok has no subtelty at all. He's a straightforward jerk, a comic villain who is meant to be annoying so we can feel satisfied at his partial comeuppance at the end of the piece. He doesn't have the compelling ambiguity T'Pau posesses, and background detail saying 'oh, he's been a jerk since forever' is no more revealing than the TOS characters comments on T'Pau's political importance.

No, the Vulcan Maquis woman that Quark convinces through some logic of his own, I find far more interesting than T'Pau.

Sakonna? Not terribly interesting, really. The only thing I liked about her is the result she has on Quark's wheels spinning in his head: Since she's a Vulcan, he tries to pretend he's an honest, honourable businessman, but he gets caught with a decidely shady client; and all the time he's trying to hit on her.

The character herself, like all of the Maquis in "The Maquis", isn't particularly interesting by herself and kind of a plot contrivance.
 
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