Correct. What's interesting is that it often gets held up to a higher standard than even historical fiction..Star Trek isn't Historical Fiction. It isn't beholden to dates in the same way.
Correct. What's interesting is that it often gets held up to a higher standard than even historical fiction..Star Trek isn't Historical Fiction. It isn't beholden to dates in the same way.
Correct. What's interesting is that it often gets held up to a higher standard than even historical fiction..
But, it's still meant to be representative of the future. If it goes back to TOS and uses tech that way that's a 60s era interpretation of future technology rather than taking the future tech and exploring it from a better understanding of technology and it's capabilities.Probably because there are no hidden elements or things that can come to light later on.
It is all right there on the screen. In the here and now, it is all available at the press of a button.
Well yeah, I have a higher bar for something based on History rather something made up out of whole cloth. Go figure.My point was that for him—and apparently you—there is a lower bar. For others, there is not. Hence, the word preference.
Sure there are. That's how this fiction thing works. Spock has an inner eyelid? Kirk has a son? McCoy's father died just before a cure was found? Sulu has a daughter. All of those are hidden elements that came to light later.Probably because there are no hidden elements or things that can come to light later on.
It is all right there on the screen. In the here and now, it is all available at the press of a button.
"No, Frylock, The Highlander was a documentary, and events happened in real time"Correct. What's interesting is that it often gets held up to a higher standard than even historical fiction..
I think they have treatments for that.All of STD.
it just made me realize.. the Klingons could have stopped Discovery at every engagement with some well placed anti-fungal cream.I think they have treatments for that.
Sure there are. That's how this fiction thing works. Spock has an inner eyelid? Kirk has a son? McCoy's father died just before a cure was found? Sulu has a daughter. All of those are hidden elements that came to light later.
That whole discussion in this thread has me scratching my head: I don't recall anybody ever saying anything about Vulcan being conquered, and I do vaguely recall something in "The Immunity Syndrome" about Vulcan having never been conquered.Why can't Amok Time depict a conquered Vulcan?
Yeah, I know we discard McCoy's throw away line....
You have a good memory and are absolutely right.That whole discussion in this thread has me scratching my head: I don't recall anybody ever saying anything about Vulcan being conquered, and I do vaguely recall something in "The Immunity Syndrome" about Vulcan having never been conquered.

it's illogical to assume thatThat whole discussion in this thread has me scratching my head: I don't recall anybody ever saying anything about Vulcan being conquered, and I do vaguely recall something in "The Immunity Syndrome" about Vulcan having never been conquered.
One might say it was decanonized.Yep. That line about Vulcan being conquered was very quickly swept under the rug and never referenced again. They essentially retconned it away immediately.
It was early days and they were still filling in the blanks—and weren’t always consistent about it.

And indeed, in "Requiem for Methuselah," we get this (Re: Spock declining the drink McCoy had offered him before the line about Vulcan being conquered):Yep. That line about Vulcan being conquered was very quickly swept under the rug and never referenced again. They essentially retconned it away immediately.
It was early days and they were still filling in the blanks—and weren’t always consistent about it.
(Blish, perhaps using a line that was cut, has Spock declaring that nothing happens that he isn't far better able to deal with).MCCOY: Saurian brandy, one hundred years old. Jim?
KIRK: Please.
MCCOY: Mister Spock, I know you won't have one. Heaven forbid those mathematically perfect brain waves be corrupted by this all too humanvice.
SPOCK: Thank you, Doctor. I will have a brandy.
MCCOY: Do you think the two of us can handle a drunk Vulcan? Once alcohol hits that green blood
So Vulcan hasn't been conquered, okay. But Vulcan is at that point a long-standing member of an interstellar Federation of planets with some worlds that have, at some time, been conquered. Vulcans are not stupid. Vulcans cannot conceive of a conqueror? Just because they personally have not been conquered means that they don't even understand the concept?SPOCK: Vulcan has not been conquered within its collective memory. The memory goes back so far that no Vulcan can conceive of a conqueror.I knew the ship was lost because I sensed it.
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