Deanna Troi

[Nakita Akita]

Troi's original function was to look after the mental health and well-being of over 1000 people, from officers and crew to family members and civilian contractors, on long-duration missions of exploration, whilst also being an alien with telepathic abilities and a former serious relationship with Riker, to help add some drama to proceedings.

As with other series as writers and actors become more familiar with the roles, then things evolve from there, such as the relationship between Troi and Worf, or her promotion to Commander and move to wearing standard uniform.

Her original purpose was eye candy.

She wasn't promoted to commander then suddenly she was given a new uniform because of it. She was a commander as far as I recall from the beginning.

Did Worf or Barcley wear a chest baring v-neck uniform?

She was eyecandy. Plain and simple.
I was in the military the utilitarian uniform we wore was the same as the men's uniform, as it should be.

 

[KennyB]

Proof please.

It will be a while.....the troll was permabanned.....Don't think you'll get a reply.

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

Proof please.

Big Matty is gone for good so no reply (except from me).

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Her original purpose was eye candy.

As is 99% of women on TV. Troi was to be attractive, but thankfully they didn't give her three boobs.

She wasn't promoted to commander then suddenly she was given a new uniform because of it. She was a commander as far as I recall from the beginning.

She was ordered to wear standard uniform in "Chain of Command", after which people realised that she could look professional and still attractive and curvy so they kept it. She was a Lieutenant Commander from the start, though was only referred to by rank in "Encounter at Farpoint" and then again in S7 "Lower Decks" (when she and Riker joked about promoting everyone onboard) and again in "Thine Own Self" when she passed the bridge officer's test (she may have been called 'commander' in "Disaster" though I can't recall).

Did Worf or Barcley wear a chest baring v-neck uniform?

Worf could totally pull it off.

She was eyecandy. Plain and simple.

In the 1987 series bible, then-Lieutenant Troi was described as:
An attractive and very witty Starfleet professional, she is the ship's Counsellor, a position of vital importance on space vessels of the 24th century; the success of a starship's mission depends as much on efficiently functioning human relationships as on the vessel's mechanisms and circuitry. Troi is a master of Human and Alien Psychology, also a Starfleet-trained bridge officer. Her mother was a Betazoid alien and she has inherited a form of telepathic ability which allows her to "feel" the emotions of others. [She then gets another couple pages worth of character detail, which includes the elevated rank, further on in the bible]
So in the beginning they had set her up as an important mission specialist, vital to the running of the ship, unfortunately the writers (especially in S1) had no clue what to do with her, and so she suffered from their short-sightedness, so she was relegated to being the one in the skimpy outfits. But when they did give her a good story line (such as "Face of the Enemy" or "Disaster") then she showed what she was capable of.

I was in the military the utilitarian uniform we wore was the same as the men's uniform, as it should be.

Unfortunately, the PTB at Trek seem to think that the straight male and gay female population won't realise a woman has boobs unless she's in something low-cut or skintight which is why we wound up with Seven and T'Pol, both of whom (like Troi) showed that were far better looking when in standard uniform than any of the other crap they had to wear. But that is the nature of the TV beast for you.

 

[KennyB]

Unfortunately, the PTB at Trek seem to think that the straight male and gay female population won't realise a woman has boobs unless she's in something low-cut or skintight which is why we wound up with Seven and T'Pol, both of whom (like Troi) showed that were far better looking when in standard uniform than any of the other crap they had to wear. But that is the nature of the TV beast for you.

The powers that be in the BERMAN era..........hoping catsuits are a thing of the past.

 

[XCV330]

The only catsuit I hope returns to Trek is a Kzinti invasion

 

[Lynx]

Worf's skin color didn't have anything to do with the failing relationship between Troi and Worf.

No, Troi and Worf wasn't a good combination. No chemistry, nothing. I still don't understand why they came up with that one.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

The powers that be in the BERMAN era..........hoping catsuits are a thing of the past.

So far under MacFarlane it's no longer a thing.

 

[at Quark's]

She was ordered to wear standard uniform in "Chain of Command", after which people realised that she could look professional and still attractive and curvy so they kept it.

One of the few things Jellico did right, yes. (I don't think he was a bad captain though, just not fit for the Enterprise crew).

 

[Nakita Akita]

As is 99% of women on TV. Troi was to be attractive, but thankfully they didn't give her three boobs.


She was ordered to wear standard uniform in "Chain of Command", after which people realised that she could look professional and still attractive and curvy so they kept it. She was a Lieutenant Commander from the start, though was only referred to by rank in "Encounter at Farpoint" and then again in S7 "Lower Decks" (when she and Riker joked about promoting everyone onboard) and again in "Thine Own Self" when she passed the bridge officer's test (she may have been called 'commander' in "Disaster" though I can't recall).


Worf could totally pull it off.


In the 1987 series bible, then-Lieutenant Troi was described as:
An attractive and very witty Starfleet professional, she is the ship's Counsellor, a position of vital importance on space vessels of the 24th century; the success of a starship's mission depends as much on efficiently functioning human relationships as on the vessel's mechanisms and circuitry. Troi is a master of Human and Alien Psychology, also a Starfleet-trained bridge officer. Her mother was a Betazoid alien and she has inherited a form of telepathic ability which allows her to "feel" the emotions of others. [She then gets another couple pages worth of character detail, which includes the elevated rank, further on in the bible]
So in the beginning they had set her up as an important mission specialist, vital to the running of the ship, unfortunately the writers (especially in S1) had no clue what to do with her, and so she suffered from their short-sightedness, so she was relegated to being the one in the skimpy outfits. But when they did give her a good story line (such as "Face of the Enemy" or "Disaster") then she showed what she was capable of.


Unfortunately, the PTB at Trek seem to think that the straight male and gay female population won't realise a woman has boobs unless she's in something low-cut or skintight which is why we wound up with Seven and T'Pol, both of whom (like Troi) showed that were far better looking when in standard uniform than any of the other crap they had to wear. But that is the nature of the TV beast for you.

Worf in the cheerleader mini-dress.
Riker in the mini-dress?
1. Without the beard(thin)
2. With the beard(fat)
3.doing the 'Riker chair manouver'

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

One of the few things Jellico did right, yes. (I don't think he was a bad captain though, just not fit for the Enterprise crew).

It wasn't the Enterprise crew it was Picard's so no wonder they clashed.

 

[at Quark's]

It wasn't the Enterprise crew it was Picard's so no wonder they clashed.

Picard even almost betrayed that little secret himself:

PICARD: …. As the First Officer of the Enterprise you have a position of distinction, prestige, even glamour of a sort. You are the second in command of Starfleet's flagship, but still second in command. Your promotion will transfer you to a relatively insignificant ship in an obscure corner of the Galaxy. But it will be your ship, and being who you are, it will soon be vibrant with your authority, your style, your vision. You know, there really is no substitute for holding the reins.

 

[KennyB]

So far under MacFarlane it's no longer a thing.

Orville isn't Trek. AND hopefully B & B have evolved a little in 20 plus years.

 

[Qonundrum]

Orville isn't Trek. AND hopefully B & B have evolved a little in 20 plus years.

Yet it feels closer to Trek in spirit than its competitor on the special-access-but-still-loaded-with-commercials-anyway channel that has a crew of glorified fast food cooks.

Weren't B&B also brought in under Roddenberry himself and trying to continue his vision of using people as sex objects? Listen to Roddenberry himself and the audience's response:

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Starts at 0:31 in. And, yes, people can and do evolve over time, noting this audio was recorded roughly 43 years ago. But B&B were also trying to keep some of Roddenberry's wishes? Or being caught in the middle and ditching ditch the habit after he passed or felt revered to continue it? I don't know.

 

[KennyB]

Yet it feels closer to Trek in spirit than its competitor on the special-access-but-still-loaded-with-commercials-anyway channel that has a crew of glorified fast food cooks.

I don't even know WTF you are talking about. "Glorified fast food cooks"? Discovery is Trek......like it or not. I do not dislike The Orville, but it really is TNG with the numbers filed off. Let's not get into that whole DSC/Orville here.

As for B&B being caught in the middle or ditching anything.........Gene passed in 1991.......Before Kira, Seven, or T'Pol. Don't think they were using catsuits for ol' Gene at that point.

 

[suarezguy]

She was ordered to wear standard uniform in "Chain of Command", after which people realised that she could look professional and still attractive and curvy so they kept it.

I really liked that in season 7 she alternated between both kinds of uniforms and the one she was wearing in a particular scene usually fit its context.

 

[at Quark's]

I really liked that in season 7 she alternated between both kinds of uniforms and the one she was wearing in a particular scene usually fit its context.

Sometimes even literally in the blink of an eye, such as in the scene in Parallels

 

[Delta Vega]

I'm sorry, I just don't get the love for this actor / character
Let's face it, she can't act her way out of a wet paper bag, and I never truly understood the need for her Councellor role in the machinations of that crew.
She was in good company for duff actors in the show, Will Wheaton and Jonathan Frakes ran her close.
You'll guess that I was never a big fan of TNG, I found it too up itself, too politically correct, too nice.
Picard was an old bore, and I'd have loved to have seen him deal with hand to hand protagonists, the way Kirk had to.
Only bright spots in TNG for me were Data and La Forge.

 

[Spectre Of The Fun]

The shows don't have to be about fat or old women to feature them as high profile characters. Older characters can add a great dimension to a series (the Expanse, NuBSG, the Orville, Discovery etc).

Yeah as an old guy now at 47 I can really appreciate Jayne Brook on Discovery. At 58 she is very sexy to a middle aged man like myself (and before I know it I will be 58--time moves transwarp/spore drive faster with each passing year). As lovely as Sonequa Martin-Green and Mary Wiseman are I feel like their dad or older brother now.

I like Jayne Brook's performance and character on Discovery. I like the fact she flirts with some dodgy actions to end the war with the Klingons because it helps portray both her and the Federation as not 100% perfect all the time. That is useful given the shows allegories to contemporary politics.

As for Deanna Troi I love the character. I want to see her again. I would like a new show (doesn't have to run 7 seasons) or mini series where she and Riker are married with a daughter. A restless Riker fights for and gets command of a new deep space exploration vessel with Deanna on board and their *ensign daughter who is in security (and too often harm's way). Deanna is open with her daughter about the struggles she had with her own mother and experiences like giving birth to and losing the alien life form she called Ian.

*She and her security commander/ship's number one insist on leading away teams to protect Captain Riker from unessary risk. He doesn't like it but he has to concede he once thought the same thing. He doesn't like it because getting one last look at the unknown and first contacts is what he craves.

 

[Spectre Of The Fun]

I'm sorry, I just don't get the love for this actor / character
Let's face it, she can't act her way out of a wet paper bag, and I never truly understood the need for her Councellor role in the machinations of that crew.
She was in good company for duff actors in the show, Will Wheaton and Jonathan Frakes ran her close.
You'll guess that I was never a big fan of TNG, I found it too up itself, too politically correct, too nice.
Picard was an old bore, and I'd have loved to have seen him deal with hand to hand protagonists, the way Kirk had to.
Only bright spots in TNG for me were Data and La Forge.

I wouldn't mind seeing Troi and Riker (and Worf) one more time in a mini series or short series but I don't deny some basis for your perspective. Also sometimes up itself PC TNG rubbed me the wrong way as well. In particular an episode like Silicon Avatar. The Crystalline Entity was intelligent, *evil and a threat to innocent life. Picard should have been ordered to lead a task force to terminate it with extreme prejudice.

*It conspired with Lore in a manner I consider pre meditated and was not just some poor, dumb and hungry beast trying to survive.