Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow Season 5

[Christopher]

I've actually been impressed how little the Arrowverse has objectified it's female characters There have been a few tight costumes and lower cut tops, but nothing over the top, and definitely not like what we used to get in the source material.

I do find White Canary's costume a bit, err, distracting. Between the low neckline, the bustier design, and the fact that the chest is the brighest part, it's like the whole design is saying "Look at my bust!" It's surprisingly similar to Power Girl's costume.

Of course, I'm sure it would've been designed differently if Caity Lotz weren't okay with wearing it. But it was a bit incongruous in Crisis next to the costumes of Supergirl, Batwoman, Alex, etc.

 

[USS Firefly]

And everything Jes Macallan wears looks good, so she doesn't need any lowcut clothes

 

[Christopher]

Just noticed something in this extended trailer for upcoming episodes:

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At about 1:31, Sara says "We are immortal superheroes." I wonder if that connects to why she wasn't killed by Atropos. Maybe something has rendered the Legends unkillable -- except for Behrad, apparently, although his resurrection appears to be spoiled in the trailer as well.

It looks like there's also a shot of Zari pulling her life thread apart into two strands and the original Zari popping out of her body.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oof for some reason my cable box had March 31st listed as the ‘original air date’ for this episode so it wasn’t set to record. Thankfully I noticed.

 

[thribs]

What in Chuck’s name has she done to her hair?

 

[Guy Gardener]

What in Chuck’s name has she done to her hair?

She Spocked herself.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Y’know, Hell doesn’t seem that bad. I was surprised this is only the second acting gig for the actress that plays Astra.

I thought Constantine and Zari’s adventure was a lot of fun. You know it’s nutty when Jack the Ripper is barely an inconvenience. Actually, did they dispatch him?

 

[Christopher]

A fun episode, though obviously saving money by having the ring end up in John's home in the past so they could reuse the set. Also, is Caity Lotz directing another episode or something, requiring Sara to be down for the count again?

Zari looked good as Cleopatra. And she did a good job "influencing" the situation. It seems a bit odd that they're shipping her and Constantine, though, especially since they seem to be building an attraction with Nate at the same time. And really, "love interest of John Constantine" is a gig with a pretty iffy life expectancy.

Christopher Gauthier was a good casting choice for Henry VIII. He's getting rather Victor Buono-ish as he matures.

This is the first Arrowverse appearance of the Enchantress, the DC sorceress who was the basis of the villain in the Suicide Squad movie. They're going with the New 52 version of her as an ancient mystical being who possessed June Moone in the present (but without June being involved at all), rather than the original version of just June's alternate form or second personality.

They also worked in a passing reference to the demon called the Norfulthing, which was part of Constantine's original Newcastle Crew/Astra backstory in the comics, but not in the simplified version of the Arrowverse, because the original was too ghastly for TV. (I assume the derivation of the name is that in an English accent, "a Norfulthing" sounds like "an awful thing.")

 

[Avalon]

Zari looked good as Cleopatra. And she did a good job "influencing" the situation. It seems a bit odd that they're shipping her and Constantine, though, especially since they seem to be building an attraction with Nate at the same time. And really, "love interest of John Constantine" is a gig with a pretty iffy life expectancy.

Christopher Gauthier was a good casting choice for Henry VIII. He's getting rather Victor Buono-ish as he matures.

Aha! I knew I recognized his face, but the only actors I could think of would have been far too old. Thanks for solving that for me!

I've been thinking about the whole Zari2.0/Constantine thing, and at first I thought it might be just leading to them having a one night stand...but now that they've had Original!Zari show up, and Nate seem to be into Zari2.0, (but not as much as he was into Original!Zari)...I'm wondering if Nate's journey to "come find [Zari]" isn't actually over? Maybe Nate ends up with Original!Zari somehow (presumably taking him off the ship and off the show), while Zari2.0 pursues a relationship with Constantine? I dunno, probably not. But it's interesting to try to figure out where they're going with this.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I'm very curious to see where they are headed with the whole Zari 1.0/Nate/Zari 2.0/Constantine thing.
The Zari/Constantine team up was pretty fun, it's not really a pairing that would have occurred to me, but it worked.
I'm curious where they are headed with Astra now. Her teaming up with the Legends is definitely not something I would have expected. It definitely seems they're setting up Chlotho/Charlie's sisters as the actual Big Bads for the season, rather than Astra. It was nice to learn a bit more about what happened to Astra between John sending her to hell and now.
This also felt like a set up for Enchantress to play a bigger role somewhere down the line. The big question is if she'll play a role in the end of this season, or if she's a set up for something coming up next season. It's nice to finally get another big character from the magical side of the comics. I'm still keeping my hopes up for an eventual Zatanna appearance, although the JLD HBO Max series does add a new wrinkle there.

 

[Christopher]

The Zari/Constantine team up was pretty fun, it's not really a pairing that would have occurred to me, but it worked.

This sort of weird, unexpected pairing is the sort of thing that generally happens when a show's producers notice chemistry between a pair of actors and start writing toward it, even if it wasn't where their characters were originally envisioned to go -- which is why Arrow abandoned its early setup of Laurel Lance as Oliver Queen's destined love interest (as in the comics) and paired him with Felicity Smoak instead, because Stephen Amell had better chemistry with Emily Bett Rickards than with Katie Cassidy. So I figure the producers here probably noticed some sparks between Matt Ryan and Tala Ashe in their scenes together.

 

[Caretaker]

Spoiler: Roswell, New Mexico season two spoiler

Roswell, New Mexico just had an episode where they took one of the show’s big love triangles and had it come to a head with a three-way. Not that I see Warner Bros. allowing their comic characters to enter into a polyamorous relationship.

 

[Christopher]

Spoiler: Roswell, New Mexico season two spoiler

Roswell, New Mexico just had an episode where they took one of the show’s big love triangles and had it come to a head with a three-way. Not that I see Warner Bros. allowing their comic characters to enter into a polyamorous relationship.

I read somewhere that recent X-Men comics are implying a polyamorous relationship among Jean Grey, Cyclops, and Wolverine. And Siren on Freeform -- the former ABC Family, Disney-owned and historically wholesome -- features a poly relationship among its three leads, one male and two female. So if Disney and Marvel are okay with it, and if The CW is okay with it, I don't see why DC/Warner Bros. wouldn't be. Maybe not in movies, what with the need to cater to more conservative overseas audiences, but networks like The CW and Freeform are aimed at the post-Millennial generation that's open-minded about these things.

 

[The Realist]

Spoiler: Roswell, New Mexico season two spoiler

Roswell, New Mexico just had an episode where they took one of the show’s big love triangles and had it come to a head with a three-way. Not that I see Warner Bros. allowing their comic characters to enter into a polyamorous relationship.

That ... is pretty cool.

 

[Greg Cox]

A couple of observations:

1) Whoa. What's the story with Charlie/Clotho's outrageous new look? And why was this not commented on by any of the characters.

2) As for the Nate/Zari/Constantine triangle . . . I think they first started setting this up in the Shakespeare ep, when they contrived to have Zari and John do the whole "Romeo & Juliet" balcony scene. I remember thinking that, "Whoa, are they shipping John and Zari now?" since you'd think that, if they were planning to put Nate and Zari back together, the show would have those two doing the big love scene on stage.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Nate would murder Zari 2.0, toget Zari O.G. Back.

Not even a little like love.

 

[Christopher]

1) Whoa. What's the story with Charlie/Clotho's outrageous new look? And why was this not commented on by any of the characters.

She's a shapeshifter -- makes sense that she'd like to experiment with her look. Also, she was a punk rocker when they picked her up, which seems like all the explanation we need for why she'd try out crazy hairstyles.

2) As for the Nate/Zari/Constantine triangle . . . I think they first started setting this up in the Shakespeare ep, when they contrived to have Zari and John do the whole "Romeo & Juliet" balcony scene. I remember thinking that, "Whoa, are they shipping John and Zari now?" since you'd think that, if they were planning to put Nate and Zari back together, the show would have those two doing the big love scene on stage.

Yes, that was clearly the first hint of it, but a single tease could just be a fluke (like in Voyager: "Persistence of Vision" where B'Elanna was secretly in love with Chakotay for one episode and then it was never mentioned again). Now we know for sure that they're following through on it.

 

[Avalon]

Spoiler: Roswell, New Mexico season two spoiler

Roswell, New Mexico just had an episode where they took one of the show’s big love triangles and had it come to a head with a three-way. Not that I see Warner Bros. allowing their comic characters to enter into a polyamorous relationship.

I thought about that (because LoT would be the show I'd have the most faith in for doing that story line well), but there hasn't been even the slightest moment indicating any kind of spark between Nate and Constantine. So - sadly - I don't think that's where the writers are headed.

I do wonder if we'll get Nate and Zari2.0 finally getting that kiss, and Nate realizing that he really doesn't feel the same way about Zari2.0 that he does about Original!Zari. This episode seemed to indicate that, but maybe I'm putting too much importance on their conversation about being in the amulet.

 

[Christopher]

I thought about that (because LoT would be the show I'd have the most faith in for doing that story line well), but there hasn't been even the slightest moment indicating any kind of spark between Nate and Constantine. So - sadly - I don't think that's where the writers are headed.

It doesn't have to be that kind of polyamory. It could just be that they're non-exclusive so that Zari is free to date both Nate and Constantine separately, while they also remain free to see other people.

 

[cylkoth]

Nate would murder Zari 2.0, toget Zari O.G. Back.

Not even a little like love.

Tuvix just called. He says he hates you.