Now I want to see a version of LoT with John Oliver in place of John Constantine. Although it would require a lot of bleeping.
Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3
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Now I want to see a version of LoT with John Oliver in place of John Constantine. Although it would require a lot of bleeping.
I've been out since early season one, but I caught "Beebo the God of War" and "The Good, The Bad and The Cuddly" on demand. There are still a lot of general issues in LoT that I have with most Arrowverse shows, e.g. I hate the fighting choreography, but I still love the cast, especially Roth and Lotz. Regarding those episodes in particular, both were fun, and I loved the historical alterations in "Beebo the God of War." The grammatically correct Toys Are We, 
. Though not enough to draw me back in, I did enjoy them.
. Though not enough to draw me back in, I did enjoy them.
Yes, I understand the small details (technically, it would be The Arrow and The Canary), but in spirit, it is the only time we have ever had a proper Arrow / Canary team with the proper dynamics and relationship. It seemed like someone was on the way to keeping her as *THE* "Black" Canary, and via dialogue, set up that Sara was into Ollie first, and that Laurel was a bitch of a little sister that went for Ollie just to spite Sara, and that Sara was the actual true love. It seemed like they were setting the stage for something to build on, and I was so ecstastic when they did not kill her or ruin anything at the end of Season 2, and that the whole Olicity thing was just a clever ruse on Slade.
Literally the next episode, of the next season, they ruined everything that had made the end of S2 great, and Sara was never the same again.
With Jes Macallan being promoted to full time regular next season, I'm hoping that means we'll get some more Gary too.
That was what I assumed happened, that once she realized they were going to need help she went and picked up the Legend's friends who she thought would be the most likely to help them.
Well, it wasn't just Ava realizing it. In the scene with Jonah Hex and Zari aboard the Waverider, Zari told Hex that she was programming a temporal beacon or distress signal that she was sending out to summon help. If she was just calling up Ava and saying "Hey, go get help for us," you'd think she would've just said that. Instead, she characterized it as some sort of signal sent out across time to whoever could receive it, or at least that was my impression. Yet none of the people who showed up could realistically have been expected to receive it except Ava. So it's kind of a plot hole.
We don't know what time periods any of them came from. We know Jax came from a few years in the future; maybe thats when *he* was able to randomly receive/decode the signal. Vixen is apparently a shared role now, so that could have been received through any means they have set up between them, since the new timeline is really different, and the Vixen(s) would be aware that something was different, i'm guessing? Themyscara in some versions has some pretty decent tech, and who knows how long Helen has been there training. (Do we know if Helen was dropped off there in the distant past, or in the present? I always assumed it was the past, but it really could be anything.)
Ava going on a "pilot/premiere" style recruitment drive would be funny and more entertaining, though, and basically how JLU was assembled and launched by Batman (as per the alt U ending of the crisis on 2 earths movie).
Huh? That's not how time-alteration stories usually work. And even if they did have some odd sense that something about their life wasn't right, how would that translate to having the actual technology to receive a temporal beacon, let alone coordinate with its other recipients to arrive at the same time?
Bottom line, the whole "distress call" bit with Zari just made no sense in the context of what we actually saw happen later on. It would've been better if she'd just said she'd contacted the Time Bureau for help, but I guess that would've spoiled the surprise of Ava's Big Damn Hero entrance.
It was 1253 BCE, contemporaneous with the Trojan War. It was explicitly stated in dialogue that Zari's "hack" to history was to return Helen to her proper time as Sara ordered her to do, but just not in the same place.
I didn't remember if it had shown a date; i just remember the visual of Themyscira. Given that either way Helen disappears from history, its not really a hack, and they could have just kept her in the present with them with no other differences.
Legends has a weird way of things updating after a change in the timeline, where there is a delay and then slowly elements of the new timeline sink in. The legends didn't have time to learn or remember the new history yet, but the Kuasa Vixen that we saw, would have experienced the events of the new timeline firsthand, and mostly likely been clued in on whats going on by her grandmother. Alternatively, Mari is plugged into the superhero community, which could very easily be monitoring for Legends calls through Cisco or Felicity.
But that's just it -- she doesn't disappear from history. She's in exactly the time she left; she's only moved physically to a different part of the Mediterranean. Okay, Themyscira doesn't usually interact much with Man's World in modern times, but the classical legends of the Amazons had to come from somewhere, so presumably there was more interaction back in the age of myth. Maybe she even goes back to Troy after she's sufficiently trained and plays a more direct role in resolving the Trojan War, and takes more control of her life afterward. Heck, for all we know, Homer glossed over that part because his audiences didn't want to hear about an empowered woman, so it may not even have changed the myth significantly.
Okay, that's plausible, at least. But then, it would've been nice if their distress call had also brought the Flash or Mr. Terrific or someone from outside the LoT family.
The Beebo/Mallus fight scene was the best thing to ever happen in the Arrowverse.
I was operating under the assumption that Themyscara is hidden and uninvolved, and by putting her there, she's off the radar completely and therefore a disappearance from Earth history.
But that would pretty much defeat the purpose of Zari's "hack," which was to obey the letter of Sara's order to return Helen to her proper place in history while still finding a loophole that would improve Helen's lot in life. So it had to be a change that made things better for Helen personally without having a major disruptive effect on the timeline.
And again, we're talking about the age of myth, the time when the Amazons were interacting directly with various Greek heroes and the like. Indeed, the Aeneid and other sources record that the Amazons actually fought in the war on the Trojans' side. Which suggests that taking Helen to live with the Amazons is not removing her completely from the Trojan War narrative, just giving her a more active role within it.
I actually edited a novel years ago, The Amazon and the Warrior by Judith Hand, which was all about the Amazons taking part in the Trojan War, as per legend.
I find no evidence that Adam Tsekhman (Gary) has been upgraded to regular. I expect he'll continue in a recurring role, though.
No, but neither is Sara Lance, Amaya Jiwe, Kuasa, Ava Sharpe, Gideon, John Diggle, Joe West, Harrison Wells, Eddie Thawne, Alex Danvers, or Winn Schott, Jr. (although the majority of those are newly created relatives of existing comics characters). And a lot of Arrowverse characters are only tenuously based on comics characters and are mostly original -- Jefferson Jackson, Zari Tomaz, Thea Queen, Quentin Lance, William "Prometheus" Morrison, Samantha Arias.
Indeed.