I was waiting for Sarah to do her usual "kiss" the girl from the past, only this time with past Sarah. 
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I was waiting for Sarah to do her usual "kiss" the girl from the past, only this time with past Sarah.
That would've been a challenge for the VFX team. And it probably would've torn an even bigger hole in the universe. (Totally worth it, though...
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They can always ask the guys from Black Orphan how to pull this stuff off.That would've been a challenge for the VFX team. And it probably would've torn an even bigger hole in the universe. (Totally worth it, though...
You mean Orphan Black? They've had different clones physically interact in various ways, but I'm not sure if they've done a kiss between them.
Back in the day, I was always interested in watching the development of such interaction effects between two copies of the same actor. It used to be that they were always firmly on opposite sides of a split screen and any interaction required cutting to a close-up. One of the first in-shot interactions I remember seeing was in TNG: "Datalore," a shot where Lore put down a champagne glass and Data picked it up a moment later. (Presumably they just left the glass and the camera in place while Brent Spiner changed costumes from Lore to Data, had him pick up the glass, and then cut the two shots together.) But just a few years later, the first TV series version of DC's Human Target (which lasted for all of 7 episodes) had its hero routinely disguising himself as his clients, and they'd sometimes do things like a shot where the real person handed his wedding ring to the impersonator, with a stand-in's arm coming out from behind the superimposed double's body so that it looked like it was attached. That's been pretty much the standard way that kind of shot has been done ever since, although it wasn't done as smoothly there as it is these days. With Orphan Black, often they digitally superimpose Tatiana Maslany's face onto the body of her double Kathryn Alexandre, so their physical interaction can be more extensive.
But actually showing two copies of the same actress kissing each other, touching face-to-face, would be a much more complex effect to create. You could cheat it easily enough by using an angle where you couldn't really see the lips connecting, but that wouldn't be very convincing (or titillating, if that's what you're going for).
I always loved it in TNG's "Second Chances" where Will Riker physically passes the trombone to Tom Riker, surpassing the table cheat in "Datalore".
Directed by Levar Burton, no less!
But yes, we've come a long way from trying to find the seam in the middle of the screen.
Directed by Levar Burton, no less!
But yes, we've come a long way from trying to find the seam in the middle of the screen.
Quote from an article on season 3:
As for another burning Q — whether sister series such as Arrow and The Flash will reflect the weird reality on hand when the Legends crash-landed in 2017 Los Angeles — Guggenheim in a word said no. “We never want television to feel like a homework assignment,” where viewers of one #DCTV show must track all of them. “That said… there will be an explanation in Season 3 as to why you’re not seeing dinosaurs run through Central City.”
As for another burning Q — whether sister series such as Arrow and The Flash will reflect the weird reality on hand when the Legends crash-landed in 2017 Los Angeles — Guggenheim in a word said no. “We never want television to feel like a homework assignment,” where viewers of one #DCTV show must track all of them. “That said… there will be an explanation in Season 3 as to why you’re not seeing dinosaurs run through Central City.”
Thanks for the correction.
I am not sure if they had a clone on clone kiss yet, but if there is a show that can will do that if at all possible it's OA
Careful, The OA is a completely different show.
Duh. I should have thought of that. The woolly mammoths are in Central City! And the dragons are in Star City!They're all in Los Angeles?
OB... dammit!
Yeah... I really don't think this specific mashup reality will be a season-long thing, because that would be pretty expensive. As I've said, my conjecture is that they'll put LA to rights pretty quickly, then go deal with other localized aberrations/mixups on a smaller, more budget-friendly scale -- like, say, running into Jonah Hex in a Mad Max-style future, or finding Anthro, the first Cro-Magnon boy, wandering around in Victorian London.
I appreciate his view that tv viewing should not require homework to understand. My brother and his son do not think they have been that successful at that though. They were huge fans of The Flash in season 1. During Christmas I was curious if they still watch. He said they fell behind sometime in season 2 and stopped watching. Largely because of references to the other shows they didn't not watch so didn't understand.
Were there that many references in the show that would make storylines tough to follow?
I'd think that would mainly be the case in crossover episodes, or something like the post-"Flashpoint" episode where Barry ran to Star City to talk to Felicity and found out about the altered identity of Diggle's kid. Or the episode with Black Siren last season.
Really, though, Legends is the hardest show to follow on its own, since it's so dependent on continuity from the other shows -- Sara's backstory with Laurel, Darhk, and Merlyn, Thawne's history with the Flash and STAR Labs, Darhk's pursuit of magic, Ray knowing the modern-day Vixen, etc. Heck, I saw an article the other day saying that part of what made this season work better than the first was that it built on the characters we knew and cared about from the other shows instead of trying to get us interested in new ones.
That's one interpretation, I'd just say Vandal Savage and Hawkman were lame.
Well, that overlaps with the article's opinion, in a way. Creating new characters is always a gamble; you don't know if they'll work or not. The imported characters from Arrow and The Flash were in the show because they already worked well enough that we wanted to see more of them. But instead of focusing on those proven characters, LoT gambled on creating other, new characters to be the focus, and the gamble didn't pay off that time. Season 2 turned it around so that the proven characters were the primary focus, with the new characters (Nate and Amaya) being prominent but not central to the whole thing, so it was less of a gamble.
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To be fair, their problem with the LoT storyline is bizarre, even to me. As an avid comic reader, I'm used to things like Wolverine doing 6 different things with different people in one month or characters having status quo changes in one book that don't effect their appearances in other books for months.
Also, the LoT stuff isn't the first time travel story I've experienced where the world is changed in that particular show/comic/etc, but the rest of the shows/comics/etc in the universe don't acknowledge it. It seems silly to me to expect 3 (and soon to be 4) other shows to all forget their plans and make their shows match the changes of LoT (which we know will be mostly reversed anyway).
That sums it all up.
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