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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

Clearly, what you desire is for the events of all three Earth 1 shows to flow directly from one to the other, with major world shattering events to be handled or referenced with appropriate effects, and dealt with. Unfortunately that cannot be done. Production and scheduling just doesn't permit it as tightly as even the producers may wish.

While Arrow and Flash are tied closer to each other than LoT, save for the guest shots and the event crossovers, each week's episodes are not taking place the day after (or before) the other airs. There is story continuity, but Arrow's tangling with Promethus didn't happen the day after Flash's musical romp with Supergirl.

The problem with the notion that the shows aren't taking place as they air is that it's been well-documented that such is actually what we, as an audience, are being presented with, not only with the series that take place on Earth-1, but with Supergirl as well (at least during Season 1; there's been far less rigidity in Season 2 of the show, which has covered a far longer period of time than what we as an audience have actually seen).
 
And yet you don't care that the stories The Flash and Arrow are telling no longer matter and WON'T matter going forward?


Well, I only watch The Flash and Supergirl - so whatever may be going on in the other two shows is compleely meaningless from where I sit.
 
As long as if at the end of LoT Season 3, almost all of the timeline is fixed (or close to fixed) at a time before, say Oliver got lost at sea (or any time previous), then any stories from here to then (on Arrow or Flash) can go about as they are. Time is wibbly-wobbly, not linear. If it's fixed at a time before our stories take place, then nothing (well slight things) changes.
But besides that, it's a few friggin' TV series, not documentaries.
 
I got confused as to which Legend versions got killed during the episode.
We did not end up with a mix of Legends and Legends 5 minutes from now, did we?

Also, was anyone reminded about The Wedding of River Song with the final cliffhanger?
 
I got confused as to which Legend versions got killed during the episode.
We did not end up with a mix of Legends and Legends 5 minutes from now, did we?

Also, was anyone reminded about The Wedding of River Song with the final cliffhanger?
Nope all the '2017 alternate' Lengends characters either were left behind in 2017/killed/faded out in the end.
 
Nope all the '2017 alternate' Lengends characters either were left behind in 2017/killed/faded out in the end.

Yep. Since the events that led to Doomworld were prevented, the Legends that existed in Doomworld were wiped from the timeline. So it's lucky that all the casualties were on their side.
 
Yes, it's almost like it was scripted to turn out that way...:wtf::whistle:;)

Kind of like how, in shows that usually aren't about time travel, the most catastrophic events always coincidentally happen just when the characters stumble across the means to travel back in time and undo them. "Oh, no, the aliens invaded, blew up the world, and killed all my friends! Luckily that malfunctioning alien warp drive happened to fling me back in time five days so I can tell my friends the aliens' fatal weakness!"

Heck, the whole series Seven Days was like that. Every episode involved going back in time a week to undo a catastrophe massive enough to devastate the United States or the world. If massive, worldshaking cataclysms happened that frequently, you have to wonder how the nation survived before it had a time machine. Or, alternatively, you have to wonder why worldshaking cataclysms didn't start happening two dozen times a year until immediately after time travel was invented.
 
Excuse me for caring about the continued integrity of a universe I've devoted the past 5 years of my viewing life to.

People got pissed off when Arrow killed off Earth-1 Laurel last year and started dropping the show/complaining about the decision. For me, what happened last night on Legends of Tomorrow is my personal "killing Earth-1 Laurel" moment.

Well,i was actually happy about the decision, and am actually annoyed that she keeps appearing BACK on the show, especially that we have a new Canary.

And as everyone has mentioned... they time that LoT takes is place in everything BUT the current Arrow/Flash timelines. (from Dinosaurs to King Arthur to the year 3000). I consider this storyline NOT finished, so we have to wait for next season to resolve it.

With returning Snart, Malcolm & Darhk to their timelines and erasing their memories,it seems like they restored those portions.


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On a different note, the last scene reminded me of an issue of Crisis on Infinite Earths, where there is a mix of time periods in one place.

I wonder if it will be their version of Crisis (as the Monitor/Anti-Monitor & massive battles would be just too much for TV budgets).
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Has Supergirl made it clear that LA exists alongside National City?
 
Heck, the whole series Seven Days was like that. Every episode involved going back in time a week to undo a catastrophe massive enough to devastate the United States or the world. If massive, worldshaking cataclysms happened that frequently, you have to wonder how the nation survived before it had a time machine. Or, alternatively, you have to wonder why worldshaking cataclysms didn't start happening two dozen times a year until immediately after time travel was invented.

Maybe they don't happen as often as on the show, but there are plenty of really really bad stuff that happens in the world that I am sure governments would try to undo with time travel if it were possible. Heck, the chemical attack that just happened in Syria would probably qualify as a "seven days" event.
 
Maybe they don't happen as often as on the show, but there are plenty of really really bad stuff that happens in the world that I am sure governments would try to undo with time travel if it were possible. Heck, the chemical attack that just happened in Syria would probably qualify as a "seven days" event.

Maybe, but it's still an example of the amusing tendency of fictional worlds to have a convenient convergence between massive, fatal disasters and the availability of time travel. When time travel is available in a story, it gives writers the freedom to kill off the characters and destroy the world because they can undo it later. (For instance, the Deep Space Nine novel Fallen Heroes, famous as the novel where "everybody dies," but with a convenient time warp that allows it to be undone.) That applies here, too, in a way -- normally, the Legends wouldn't risk time-travelling back into their own past to save one of their own, but since the climactic threat was massive enough to warrant breaking that cardinal rule, the writers were able to kill off members of the team, knowing they could bring them back later.
 
It seems they really wanted to go with this broken time narrative but I was thinking how I might have done the Spear of Destiny story. I was dreaming up an idea that the Spear of Destiny because of its power once it was made whole it is always whole so if you did time travel you would no longer find the pieces of the spear nor copies of it. There is only ever one spear. I then was thinking maybe they could do like City of Death or some other Doctor Who episodes and have the Legends go back to get the blood of Christ from an earlier time (when WWI wasn't going on lol) and replace the blood with a fake which is what gets found and destroyed in 1916. In this way, the timeline stays intact because the events would play out exactly the same. I hadn't thought about how they'd do all the rest, I'd tie it in someway with stopping Thawne and the spear but like I say that isn't the story it seems they actually wanted to do. Sorry that's half-baked rambling, just some musing I was doing, I didn't take it all the way.

I thought the excuse for not going back to the crucifixion with time travel was practical enough even if there are real world considerations of why not to do such a story.

I can't remember if it they showed it before, it seemed familar, but I like that the LoD headquarters looked like the one from the Superfriends.

Mick's line about punching the next one who hit him cracked me up. (Sorry if I'm getting the episodes mixed up, I just binged a few back-to-back).

Digificwriter - if you're having such difficulty with this concept I would recommend not reading comic books. This kind of stuff happens all the time in Marvel and DC comics.
I haven't read comics in a long time but that certainly used to be the case. Probably exasperated if you wait for the trades to collect the titles.

I guess we could have some episodes of Flash and Arrow where everyone is dead and we just see Captain Lance drink himself into oblivion and Joe and Iris cry themselves to sleep.

In seriousness, I tend to think of the shows working in near-time with each other so they're in the proximity of each other for the most part but not necessarily that day or week of unless a specific crossover requires it. If Supergirl is having a coffee with Barry on his Earth in The Flash it could be from any relatively recent time not specifically in the middle of fighting off an alien invasion in the current episode and so on. I'm not even sure if LoT is currently in any one date anymore.
 
I watched The Flash first and then went back and caught up on Arrow.

So in the second season of Arrow anytime anyone turned on a radio or television there was someone saying "Central City's STAR Labs is about to bring it's particle reactor online..." This went on for weeks.

Last season in Arrow they NUKED A CITY. I haven't heard a peep about it on The Flash.

These shows are obviously fundamentally broken. ;)
 
I thought the excuse for not going back to the crucifixion with time travel was practical enough even if there are real world considerations of why not to do such a story.

Although it would've been nice if Rip had given some other examples of historical events too important to change, such as the life of Moses, Muhammad, the Buddha, Guru Nanak, etc. As it was, it came off as kind of Christian-centric. Heck, the whole Spear of Destiny premise pretty much implied that Christianity is the one correct religion in the Arrowverse -- although Vixen's Anansi Totem proves that at least one other pantheon is real therein.



I can't remember if it they showed it before, it seemed familar, but I like that the LoD headquarters looked like the one from the Superfriends.

Well, it wasn't really their HQ here; rather, it was the site of the reactor Thawne had Stein and Jax build (so, no, we haven't seen it before). Thawne's HQ was STAR Labs, which makes sense, because he was the one who built it when he was impersonating Harrison Wells. Darhk's HQ was City Hall in Star City (although it should've still been Starling City, since the name change was Ray Palmer's idea and he was a janitor here). I'd guess Malcolm's HQ was the Merlyn Global Group building in Star City, or maybe Nanda Parbat, or both. Snart's HQ... I dunno, maybe that dive bar he hung out in on The Flash.


In seriousness, I tend to think of the shows working in near-time with each other so they're in the proximity of each other for the most part but not necessarily that day or week of unless a specific crossover requires it. If Supergirl is having a coffee with Barry on his Earth in The Flash it could be from any relatively recent time not specifically in the middle of fighting off an alien invasion in the current episode and so on. I'm not even sure if LoT is currently in any one date anymore.

The other shows are generally roughly in sync, except when they clearly aren't. But since LoT is so rarely in the present day, it doesn't even make sense to treat it as simultaneous. I mean, how can WWI or the Old West or Camelot or the far future be considered simultaneous with the present? You can talk about how much time has passed subjectively for the Legends, but that has no relationship to the passage of time in the normal world.

It's pretty clear, though, that the time flow between Earth-1 and Earth-38 doesn't quite line up, or at least that breaches between the worlds have some temporal uncertainty. After all, Barry and Cisco recruited Kara to help with the Dominators at the end of "Medusa," which was set on and just after Thanksgiving, but later references in both The Flash and Arrow date the Dominator invasion to the week before Christmas. So the two sides of Cisco's breach were displaced from each other in time by about three weeks. Which, coincidentally, is the same as the gap between the airdates of "Worlds Finest" (when the Flash first came to National City) and "Versus Zoom" (showing the Earth-1 side of that crossover). And of course the Flash was gone for mere seconds on Earth-1 while a couple of days elapsed on Earth-38, so clearly there's some timey-wimeyness going on.
 
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