Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2
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Here are showrunner Phil Klemmer's comments on the events of "Aruba", posted a day or two ago:
“Well, it’ll take at least another season to try to, if not fix, mitigate some of the destruction that we inflict on the universe in the finale. I just know, as a viewer, I would hate people if they made it too easy. It’s been 33 episodes of us being like, “You can’t do that, you can’t push that button,” so if it were too easy to undo the cataclysm, I would be like, “Oh, come on!” It’s not resolved this season. It basically is the propulsion that will take us into season 3. It will redefine our Legends, who they are and what they do, which is great because it’s always good to make them responsible for the mess. Our Legends provide the best part of the show, which is us trying to clean up our own messes. We make our ultimate mess in Tuesday’s episode.”
http://screenrant.com/legends-of-tomorrow-season-2-finale-details-deaths/
So, no, I'm not making assumptions about what might happen in Season 3; I'm operating off of an actual statement from Legends' showrunner as to how fundamentally "humped" everything is going to be going forward, coupled with information that is readily available regarding the narrative trajectory of the remainder of The Flash and Arrow's current seasons and bits and pieces of where they'll be headed in their fourth and sixth seasons respectively... hence why I'm so adamant that Legends broke the entirety of the Earth-1 segment of the Arrowverse and isn't going to be able to 'fix' it.
Just because it "happens all the time" doesn't mean it actually makes sense.
Donald Trump says idiotic/nonsensical/insane things all the time; that doesn't make the things he says any less idiotic, nonsensical, and/or insane.
“Well, it’ll take at least another season to try to, if not fix, mitigate some of the destruction that we inflict on the universe in the finale. I just know, as a viewer, I would hate people if they made it too easy. It’s been 33 episodes of us being like, “You can’t do that, you can’t push that button,” so if it were too easy to undo the cataclysm, I would be like, “Oh, come on!” It’s not resolved this season. It basically is the propulsion that will take us into season 3. It will redefine our Legends, who they are and what they do, which is great because it’s always good to make them responsible for the mess. Our Legends provide the best part of the show, which is us trying to clean up our own messes. We make our ultimate mess in Tuesday’s episode.”
http://screenrant.com/legends-of-tomorrow-season-2-finale-details-deaths/
So, no, I'm not making assumptions about what might happen in Season 3; I'm operating off of an actual statement from Legends' showrunner as to how fundamentally "humped" everything is going to be going forward, coupled with information that is readily available regarding the narrative trajectory of the remainder of The Flash and Arrow's current seasons and bits and pieces of where they'll be headed in their fourth and sixth seasons respectively... hence why I'm so adamant that Legends broke the entirety of the Earth-1 segment of the Arrowverse and isn't going to be able to 'fix' it.
Just because it "happens all the time" doesn't mean it actually makes sense.
Donald Trump says idiotic/nonsensical/insane things all the time; that doesn't make the things he says any less idiotic, nonsensical, and/or insane.
Methinks someone takes ALL these shows WAY too seriously.
I didn't say it made sense.
Actually you are making assumptions. You're assuming that Klemmer's statement can only be interpreted in the most literal way possible, which is never a sensible assumption to make about media publicity involving upcoming stories. Such statements are meant to be ambiguous, and often are deliberately exaggerated, misleading, or at least oversimplified. After all, they don't want to tell us too much in advance, just to give us a vague hint about what we might be seeing.
The assumption you're making is that the "destruction we inflict on the universe" is going to be universe-wide throughout the season. I don't agree with that assumption. There's nothing in his statement that rules out the "destruction" being more piecemeal, here and there in space and time rather than everywhere at once. I can imagine a couple of possible ways things could go. There's the suggestion I made earlier about history being fixed except for certain glitches in various places and times. Or it could be that what we're seeing here is one of various localized spacetime disruptions that haven't yet overwritten all of history, but could expand to do so "later" (narratively speaking) if the Legends don't nip them in the bud.
So hell yes, DigificWriter, you are making an enormous assumption. You are assuming that the first kneejerk idea to pop into your head is infallibly right, and so you're not making the effort to consider other possibilities. But I've already thought of two possible interpretations of Klemmer's words that differ from yours, and I'm sure I could come up with more.
You didn't say "made narrative sense." You said "narratively impossible." My point is that those are two different things. It is very possible for a narrative not to make sense. Legends of Tomorrow has been proving that repeatedly from day one.
I don't watch Legends expecting it to make sense within itself, let alone the bigger picture of the Arrowverse...
Which is a stupid position to take.
If the show doesn't make sense in and of itself, it shouldn't exist.
Again, though, this isn't about Legends' narrative making sense with what's happening on Arrow and The Flash, but about its narrative not doing things that make the continued and perpetual existence of Arrow and The Flash's narratives impossible.
Gee, thanks.
Both those shows will resume their narratives in a few weeks, so... I don't care.
^ Yes, The Flash and Arrow are resuming their individual narratives later this month, but because of what Legends did, there is no longer any reason to care about those two series' narratives because what Legends did is so practically and fundamentally far-reaching that it renders Arrow and The Flash's narratives obsolete and meaningless.
I watch these shows because I like the characters and the stories...
And yet you don't care that the stories The Flash and Arrow are telling no longer matter and WON'T matter going forward?
Ok, how about this....All three shows are taking place on Earth 1, but Not-AT-THE-SAME-TIME!!! Better now? Legends can do whatever it wants because their adventures are not going on in chronological order with it's parent show's. So they broke time in their final, but it hasn't happened yet on either Arrow or Flash. And depending on how exactly it's resolved, it may not.
No, because they ARE taking place at the same time. Saying that the shows aren't taking place at the same time when they actually are is peddling "alternative facts".
The Legends are on timeship! They travel outside of time! If history is changed, only they know about it! And then they fix it, it all more or less, resets to as closely as the original as it can....And no one but them are the wiser!
And are you tossing branching universe theory out with the bathwater?
And are you tossing branching universe theory out with the bathwater?
You come back next Fall when all 3 series are airing simultaneously and Arrow and The Flash are dropping current 2018 dates and tell me that it's not a problem that Legends leaves 2018 to go around trying to fix what they humped up in 2017 even though what they did in 2017 had no effect on what was happening in Star City and Central City in 2017, and again in 2019 when the same thing is happening.
Because that's the scenario we're looking at here.
Because that's the scenario we're looking at here.
And I still don't see the problem with it.
Then I don't know what to say to you.
Excuse me for caring about the continued integrity of a universe I've devoted the past 5 years of my viewing life to.
People got pissed off when Arrow killed off Earth-1 Laurel last year and started dropping the show/complaining about the decision. For me, what happened last night on Legends of Tomorrow is my personal "killing Earth-1 Laurel" moment.
Clearly, what you desire is for the events of all three Earth 1 shows to flow directly from one to the other, with major world shattering events to be handled or referenced with appropriate effects, and dealt with. Unfortunately that cannot be done. Production and scheduling just doesn't permit it as tightly as even the producers may wish.
While Arrow and Flash are tied closer to each other than LoT, save for the guest shots and the event crossovers, each week's episodes are not taking place the day after (or before) the other airs. There is story continuity, but Arrow's tangling with Promethus didn't happen the day after Flash's musical romp with Supergirl.
Nobody wants you to be unhappy, but at the end of the day, if it's a dealbreaker for you, then so be it. We're all just trying to sell you on trying to wedge the door open, just a little, to the possibilities of sorting this out, and that it doesn't nessesarily meant one's enjoyment of all 3 shows has to be comprimised.
While Arrow and Flash are tied closer to each other than LoT, save for the guest shots and the event crossovers, each week's episodes are not taking place the day after (or before) the other airs. There is story continuity, but Arrow's tangling with Promethus didn't happen the day after Flash's musical romp with Supergirl.
Nobody wants you to be unhappy, but at the end of the day, if it's a dealbreaker for you, then so be it. We're all just trying to sell you on trying to wedge the door open, just a little, to the possibilities of sorting this out, and that it doesn't nessesarily meant one's enjoyment of all 3 shows has to be comprimised.
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