Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

[Christopher]

There's a logistic issue that comes from having a show set in the same universe as other shows. Just like Superman doesn't solve all of Batman's issues, Flash won't solve all of Arrow's. Flash, for all his speed, is just one person, and as we see, he protects Central City, so he can't go do Arrow's work that Arrow does himself. Arrow is quite capable on his own when it comes to normal, human villains, and even to an extent, some metas, though when it comes to really difficult metas, he will absolutely call Barry.

One big problem with last season on Supergirl was that there were instances where Superman should have been involved, but wasn't. Logistically, this isn't Superman's show, though until they actually produced Superman, it seemed like they jumped through hoops to not use him. They improved on that this season though.

Exactly. Supergirl and Superman are so powerful that if they did live on Earth-1, it'd be hard to justify their lack of involvement in the other shows' crises. They actually commented on this in the denouement scenes of "Invasion!" -- that either one of the Supers individually would be a match for all three assembled Earth-1 hero teams. It actually works better to keep them on a separate Earth most of the time.

Didn't Riker use the same maneuver to avoid hitting the USS Bozeman in "Cause and Effect"?

Uh, yes, that's exactly what dodge was referencing in the post I was replying to. But obviously "Cause and Effect" was not even close to being the only story in the history of science fiction to depict an airlock or hold being vented. Come on, is it a reference to "Assignment: Earth" if someone pets a black cat?

Depending on where the cargo bay/door is, it could change the angle of decent easily.

Yes, that's my point. It's on the side of the ship, as we've clearly seen many times (it's the same door they use to go in and out of the ship when it's landed). It would push the ship sideways (yaw -- like the way a car moves when you turn the steering wheel). That's at right angles to what they needed, which was to angle the nose up or down (pitch, like the way a plane moves when you move the stick forward or back) to get a safe reentry angle.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Matt Letscher answered my question on Twitter about what happened to the real Jack Swigert. A line cut from the original script revealed he was dead.

Not surprising considering it fits Eobard's normal pattern. But I really do not like it at all. Do these writers forget that he was a real person?Who had family and a life after that mission? The Legends are supposed to protect history but do not prevent or care about the deaths of real people who never died in reality.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Well, again, just like in the comics, you would have to accept that just because heroes exist in the same world, doesn't mean that they take over everyone else's adventures.

Superman should be the strongest force for good out there, but his true weakness is that he's only one person. He can't stop everything at once, no matter what he wants to do. So there will always be a need for other heroes.

Superman is quite busy in Metropolis and Supergirl is quite busy in National City. When a major crisis requires his help, Superman goes, but that doesn't mean he can cover every major city, especially when they have their own heroes. Superman would know that say, Central City is in safe hands, while he takes care of Metropolis. But he would be available if Flash needs help.

In the comics, they all live on the same world, and it's fine. Flash is busy with Savitar right now, but Superman is probably dealing with a villain of his own.

 

[Christopher]

In the comics, they all live on the same world, and it's fine. Flash is busy with Savitar right now, but Superman is probably dealing with a villain of his own.

Yes, they manage to get away with it, but it's still awkward. Having him and Supergirl be on a separate world makes it easier to justify. It is not a problem that needs to be fixed. It is something that is perfectly fine, even beneficial, the way it is. I'm glad it's the way it is.

 

[Snaploud]

So, two crewmembers never get higher degrees because George Lucas stops making movies, but we're not supposed to expect any consequences from turning Apollo 13 from an 'engineers as heroes' story to a 'Roswell in space series of inevitable conspiracy theories.' Right. Got it.

 

[Kirk Prime]

In some ways, it's a little like Timeless. They make some major changes in history, but nothing actually happens--except when they need it to.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Missed opportunity with giving Thawne a plausible way to escape while maintaining the trust theme.
They would have needed him to get back into the command module and keep up his appearance of Swigert until he's savely back on Earth and can be switched again for the real one.
And they could have altered the astronaut's memories into a version of the Apollo 13 disaster to maintain history.
So the Legends would have chosen preserving history over beating Thawne.

Edit: now the Tom Hanks movie version is incredibly boring.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Come on, is it a reference to "Assignment: Earth" if someone pets a black cat?

No, but it's probably a Bond reference if somebody pets a white one.

 

[Noname Given]

...Also: fuel for the LEMs descent and accent stages are separate, to avoid that exact senerio, are they not? Plus the LEM was way to big on the inside. And where did all those asteroids come from?

Actually, no. it was one tank. If you actually watched any of the landings live (I was 6 in 1969 and saw them all); one of the abort criteria was if they got below a certain amount of total fuel. Mission Control did keep track of all consumables - but no, all the fuel was in one non separated tank.

The one thing that was total BS was the internal space available in the LEM - as well as the various panels and circuits being so easily available to be worked on. Plus - I assume Ray had his own toolkit with him because such tools were not issued to the crews.

 

[dahj]

Edit: now the Tom Hanks movie version is incredibly boring.

Or the film is the same, just more people on the internet are complaining that it's so inaccurate it might as well be Science Fiction.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Or the film is the same, just more people on the internet are complaining that it's so inaccurate it might as well be Science Fiction.

But the bit in the middle with the guy bursting out into a full blown musical song and dance number is pretty cool, if a bit unexpected.

 

[Tuskin38]

They were falling towards Africa at the end of the episode.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It made me wonder if Beetlejuice was made by Warner Bros, and if he was on scene causing mayhem.

So if this is the time remnant who vanished after Eddie killed himself, where is the younger time remnant from Flashpoint who didn't kill Nora Allen?

Did I miss the nod to Hidden Figures?

 

[Tallguy]

That was possibly the dumbest hour of television I have ever seen. Thrawn has no powers in space? The Waverider can't stay in orbit around the moon? The can get from the moon to Earth in, what, fifteen minutes?

I enjoyed it (which is embarrassing) just because I still enjoy the characters. But this made Lost in Space look like, well, Apollo 13.

 

[UssGlenn]

Actually, no. it was one tank. If you actually watched any of the landings live (I was 6 in 1969 and saw them all); one of the abort criteria was if they got below a certain amount of total fuel. Mission Control did keep track of all consumables - but no, all the fuel was in one non separated tank.

I'm going to have to disagree with that. The ascent stage had it's own independent fixed-thrust and non gimbaled engine and 2 fuel tanks, the decent stage had 4 of it's own separate tanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Module#Ascent_stage

 

[Christopher]

The Waverider can't stay in orbit around the moon?

Who said they couldn't? They were in pursuit of the Command Module, and then they were damaged and unable to land on the Moon to rescue Ray, which was why he and Thawne needed to repair the LEM and lift off themselves.

 

[Tallguy]

So was there anything this episode got right outside of the names of the Astronauts and the fact that there is a moon?

 

[Tallguy]

Who said they couldn't? They were in pursuit of the Command Module, and then they were damaged and unable to land on the Moon to rescue Ray, which was why he and Thawne needed to repair the LEM and lift off themselves.

There was some nonsense about not being able to rescue the command module because of them being thrown back out of lunar orbit.

 

[Christopher]

There was some nonsense about not being able to rescue the command module because of them being thrown back out of lunar orbit.

No, they did rescue the Command Module in their tractor beam. That was the whole point of the meteoroid sequence -- Sara was shielding the CM with the Waverider. It was the Lunar Excursion Module (where Ray and Thawne were) that they couldn't rescue, because of the meteroid damage.

 

[Jax]

So the Waverider can survive a nuke but rocks can cripple it?