Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2
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I wonder if Darhk being snatched early in the timeline could play into Laurel's return?
I think that if the events of LoT were having any impact on Darhk's future, then the entire fourth season of Arrow would've been wiped out, not just one detail.
Or he might do a Doc Brown - Back to the Future thing, where we get the same scene before the time travel -- but a twist and "resurrection". In Laurel's case, since she died by a seizure, and away from the team... Merlyn and his League of Assassin ties may have done soemthign to make Laurel appear dead and/or threaten the doctor to sign a fake death certificate.
And with time travel, and Thawne's face changing machine, may have left a body (if needed).
(Didn't they do something like this on Blacklist?)
We saw Darhk's recruitment in the '80s episode. I assume Thawne is the same one that experienced Flashpoint along with Barry and ran off at the end of the Flash season premiere, so this is after that in his personal timeline. That's not confirmed, but it seems likely that the reason Thawne got away at the end of that episode was to set up his role in LoT. Malcolm, again, is presumably from the present day, judging from his knowledge of Laurel's death.
It's 10 years, since Oliver and Sara were lost at sea.
10 - 9 = 01.
Merlyn is from 1 year in the past?
Darkh is from the 1980s, Miami Vice style.
If Thawn can only wear a new face once, and can't bring it back after he winds back to his original face.... That means that he is not Wells yet, or will never be Wells, and considering he has no trouble time travelling, he hasn't killed Nora yet either, or never will.
Although it's possible because of Barry jiggling time, this time remnant of Thawn never lost the ability to time travel, because a different Time Remnant plunged the knife into Nora's chest, who is less aware of being manipulated by multiple Barry Allens.
By the way, I just saw The Legend of Tarzan on DVD, and Casper Crump is in it as the villain's main henchman, and I realized one could pretend that it was actually Vandal Savage under an assumed identity, manipulating events from behind the scenes. True, we saw his character apparently get killed, but he could've come back to life off camera. Besides, it is a Warner Bros. film. And DC did publish Tarzan comics briefly in the '70s (between Gold Key and Marvel).
Briefly? DC published it for five years compared to Marvel's two. Both of with pales in comparison to Dell/Gold Key and Dark Horse's runs.
Time never lines up properly on these shows.... I'm sure that the intent is for Malcolm to be from the present... .from after he failed with Darhk, after he lost the League, after he alienated Thea.... he is going for a Hal Jordan style cosmic reset to make it all RIGHT again. It doesn't matter how villianious he becomes, because the INTENT is to undo it ALL. The end justifying the means, and all. Malcolmn is always the hero of his own story.
Time remnants are annoying at best, illogical at worst. What is the difference between a time remnant and an original? Do we know for sure WHICH Barry Allen died last year? Does it even matter? What is the difference between a time remnant and an original? One could say, the time remnant is of the past, but that is just perspective-based. To the Wells-Thawne we had in Season 1, current Eobard would be a time remnant. From Eobard's point of view, a possible future was averted, but from a point of view where he had never even done those things or lived that life. To Eobard, he has a possible future self, his path got changed, and now he's living a different choice-path, and is just as real and original as could be.
Unless it becomes plot related again at some point soon, my S03E01 interpretation is that
the Eobard that we are watching, although on a new personal timeline, is still an "original" Thawne, but he created a time remnant that stayed in the past to play the role of Wells and keep the timeline intact.
I wasn't comparing it to Marvel, I was comparing it to the 104-year history of Tarzan as a character.
I was thinking of his history in comics.
Barry from last week Phoenix, is living in a timeline with a history, that is different from his memories of what time is supposed to look like.
Either he is a time remnant, or this is a another false timeline equally as bullshit as Flashpoint.
(The writers don't seem to get this. Close enough is not good enough.)
Why would Merlin work with young Darkh if Merlin had already been blackmailed and threatened into being an obedient stooge by older Darkh trying to bring about Genesis?
That's some bad blood.
Which brings us back to Merlin is from a year ago, before that happened.
Either he is a time remnant, or this is a another false timeline equally as bullshit as Flashpoint.
(The writers don't seem to get this. Close enough is not good enough.)
Why would Merlin work with young Darkh if Merlin had already been blackmailed and threatened into being an obedient stooge by older Darkh trying to bring about Genesis?
That's some bad blood.
Which brings us back to Merlin is from a year ago, before that happened.
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Some times Barry erases his time double and resumes his life from that point onward, and other times time doubles are made to interact with, ala Zoom and the S1 finale This isn't quite the same as a piece of old timeline still showing up to fulfill its destiny (which is the dumbest thing the show has ever done) since everything else establishes physical actions to be pretty permanent and travelers to be protected. Some times Barry takes his own place; other times, his other variants are still there to do things like wave him onward. They missed a huge opportunity to tie S1 and Flashpoint together in a time loop this way. Maybe I am saying time remnant when I should be saying time double. The time remnant of Eobard that Barry released in 3-1 must have made a time double of himself to become Wells and fulfill his destiny, unless his LoT question is to sever himself from that destiny.
Time remnants are like STIV characters running around in the 80s in the Kelvinverse.
Time doubles are a whole different thing, allowing Zoom to be working with Zoom all season. Obviously neither of them had to keep any temporal causation intact, since there is probably only a few seconds of time lapsed between them. The Zoom and Barry time doubles we saw last year were presumably closer to exact duplicates at the moment of creation, yet I am pretty sure there is no difference between those, and Barry interacting with his years ago self, wehterh it be while visiting Wells to learn seed tips, or protecting his younger (child) self from Thawne.
Flash temporal mechanics give me a headache.
Time remnants are like STIV characters running around in the 80s in the Kelvinverse.
Time doubles are a whole different thing, allowing Zoom to be working with Zoom all season. Obviously neither of them had to keep any temporal causation intact, since there is probably only a few seconds of time lapsed between them. The Zoom and Barry time doubles we saw last year were presumably closer to exact duplicates at the moment of creation, yet I am pretty sure there is no difference between those, and Barry interacting with his years ago self, wehterh it be while visiting Wells to learn seed tips, or protecting his younger (child) self from Thawne.
Flash temporal mechanics give me a headache.
So do the Legends ever declare Barry Allen public enemy number one?
5+4 = 9 years (ish).
No. It was five years from the beginning of season 1. It's been 4 years (and 3 months or so) since then.
5+4 = 9 years (ish).
Well if you want to look at it like that. 
This premise reminds me of an episode of The Twilight Zone. An author traveled back in time and ended up becoming a ghost writer for William Shakespeare.
Legends are getting ready to take Star Wars references to the next level.
(spoilers for an upcoming episode on the link)
(spoilers for an upcoming episode on the link)
Actually it was the other way around: a 1960s TV writer brought Shakespeare forward to ghost-write for him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bard_(The_Twilight_Zone)
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