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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 2

I wouldn't read too much into they way they were acting. It mostly just seems like they're emulating the mode of speech and attitude of golden age era comics, which were always a bit of the formal side, at least by today's standards.

That the "Legends" still behave like a bunch of undisciplined school children only makes the contrast all the more stark.
 
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You should watch the episode a second time, like I did yesterday. She never said a word about "attitude" -- she's with the JSA, not the Power Rangers. When Ray said "So without the Totem, you're just--", she replied, "A 5th-degree black belt with advanced weapons training."

Ok, slightly misremembered the scene, but still pretty arrogant on her part. He uses an item that gives him superpowers. After giving him a ration of shit over it, she loses the item that gives her superpowers. Great that she's handy with a weapon, but that makes her as 'super' as someone like Black Widow (i.e. has no business in a fight with actual superbeings, because if it wasn't a movie, she'd be a smear on the pavement immediately. At least Black Widow uses a gun, unlike Hawkeye running in with 12 arrows in a quiver!)

Scene just would have worked better had her power been innate instead of driven from an external source. Or she shouldn't have gone that route, and just talked about training such that the power was secondary. Saying that he's only a superhero because something gives him powers...
 
Ok, slightly misremembered the scene, but still pretty arrogant on her part. He uses an item that gives him superpowers. After giving him a ration of shit over it, she loses the item that gives her superpowers.

It's not about the item, it's about the person underneath. She's a highly trained combat expert whose innate physical and sensory abilities are augmented by the Totem when necessary, while he's a smart guy who relies on a piece of technology to do all the physical work for him. I mean, that's how he presented himself when they initially got acquainted. In the initial fight, he was a powerless guy who cowered and surrendered in the face of superior opposition, the only one who just stood there and came along quietly rather than needing to be knocked out. He then explained, in his own words, that he was just an inventor who'd created a supersuit. At that point, he'd given her no indication that he had much to offer as a fighter, as opposed to an egghead. She'd never seen him fight in the suit. And she sensed Ray's own feeling of inadequacy about his own effectiveness, his own belief that he was useless without powers. All she had to go on was what he told her about himself, and the way he presented himself was not very flattering.

I mean, look at what Ray almost did later on: He tried to inject himself with a dangerous, untested super-serum, thinking he needed brute strength to be effective without his suit. That's a pretty desperate thing to do. Ray's insecurity about his self-worth has been a recurring character thread, but this was taking it to a new level. So ultimately, Amaya's reaction to Ray was more about Ray and how he saw himself. She didn't believe in him because he didn't either. But when she saw what he was really capable of, she recognized -- before he did -- that he was heroic after all.


EDIT: Here's a brief interview with Maisie Richardson-Sellers. I wish she used her real English accent as Amaya. One, it's gorgeous; two, we know from Vixen season 1 that Mari McCabe's parents lived in Africa, and with a name like Amaya Jiwe, this Vixen is probably from there too, so it would make sense if she'd learned British English rather than American.
 
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Vixen acted like a corporal needing orders from her Lieutenant (Hourman) which was kinda cool, it showed that the JSA was maybe Military Intelligence, more so than hobbyists... Is there a reason FDR wasn't massproducing Courtney's cosmic lance and if I was going to see anything name dropped it should have been Mirakuru/Miraculo, after-which Sara was going to start treating Rex like the untrustworthy Junkie that he is.
It's comics. In reality the US would have been fielding soldiers armed with nth metal wings, gravity rods, Miralco pills, nite-googles and sleeping gas.
 
To be fair, Mid-Nite's goggles have no special properties, except to make things dark so Mid-Nite can see in the light. At least that's how it was with the first Dr. Mid-Nite, I think the third one (Pieter Cross) had special features on his goggles.
 
I'm pretty sure Dr Mid-Nite could only see in the dark. In daylight with or without the googles, he was blind. Oh... What if Rex Tyler isn't Hour Man yet? Not sure why he's there if he isn't? But if he gets Miraculo from a visit to the future, that would explain his codename a little better.

Has anyone called him Hourman?

Rex doesn't have any time powers yet either?
 
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^ E1 Wells is still dead post-Flashpoint, though, or at least not around, so Barry apprehending Thawne doesn't seem to have affected the part of the timeline that is relevant to Wells as a character.

Also, Barry's actions in creating the Flashpoint timeline didn't have any effect on Eddie's death, so we're dealing with a scenario in which the events of Seasons 1 and 2 still happened more or less as we saw them, albeit with a change or two relative to what we saw that were a 'ripple effect', retroactively, from Barry's actions in creating the "Flashpoint" timeline and then asking Thawne to help him undo it.

It wasn't shown properly, but in my own headcanon, Eobard leaves a time remnant (as seen done by Zoom last year) who stays behinds and plays the role of Wells, keeping the timeline intact,but allowing Eobard his escape as well.
 
It's not about the item, it's about the person underneath.

It's not who he is underneath, it's what he does that defines him. :D

And in the previous episode he survived for months in prehistoric times among the dinosaurs armed with a stick, so he surely has something going for him other than dashing good looks. ;)
 
Palmer survived for 2 years in the 1950s as well.

Is Ray like one of the dweebs who the cool kids invite out, and then ditch in the middle of no where?
 
Ok, caught up on Flash and Legends. I'm on season 3 of Arrow. I'm all over the place on Supergirl but that hasn't become terribly relevant yet. (Yes, I watched the Flash crossover.)

Is there anyway that Oliver finds out that Sara is stranded in time someplace and says "I'm BUSY"?!?

Otherwise I am having a blast.

Yeah, I would call being a technological super-genius a relevant power.

I can imagine another billionaire, playboy, philanthropist giving an answer to that.
 
Maybe Oliver doesn't trust himself with time-travel?

Look at what he did to Star City with a bow.

Oliver would have furrowed through time killing so many babies, so that people like Slade and Malcolm Merlin were never born, even if that might mean no Tommy and no Thea, which means that he's going to start back peddling like mad to...

It's too messy for someone as orderly as Oliver Queen.
 
2x03 "Shogun" ... One of the best episodes they've done.
  • Everyone was in top form. Sara got to go up against some actual samurai and Mick was especially witty.
  • Vixen didn't know that ninjas existed?
  • Steel played with JSA action figures as a kid, so they were known.
  • What did future Barry have to say?
 
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"If I've learned one thing from Lost...It's you don't go opening secret hatches!"

Their next seen begins with them having opened the secret hatch.

I think that about sums up this show for me. :lol:
 
Not bad, though I wish they'd had the characters speaking actual Japanese in the scenes that didn't involve the crew using translator pills. Nate using colloquial English in scenes where he was supposed to be speaking Japanese was kind of distracting. (E.g. what's the Japanese word for "hardcore?")

Nice to see Sab Shimono, though the other guest actors weren't too impressive. The twist at the end, if anyone missed it, was that this is the Yamashiro family, no doubt the ancestors of Tatsu Yamashiro -- so the katana Ray was asking about is Katana's katana.

For folks trying to protect history from alteration, the Legends were pretty reckless with Japanese history, killing Tokugawa Iemitsu some eight years early, if I read the date right. Although he was the first Tokugawa shogun whose reign ended in death rather than abdication.

I wonder where Ray goes from here. I assume that blowing up his Atom suit was an excuse to design a new Atom suit later, maybe a sleeker and less cumbersome one.

Good to get some backstory on Amaya, though I wonder how someone from an insular village in Africa mastered an American accent so quickly. (It wasn't clear when the JSA recruited her, but I'm not sure an American team would've had reason to be active in Africa prior to 1942. I guess it's possible they could've been there in the late '30s for some non-war-related reason, though.) As I said before, I wish the actress used her natural English accent, which would make more sense for someone born and raised in Africa.


Vixen didn't know that ninjas existed?

She believed they were a myth, which they largely are, although probably with some basis in truth. Honestly, I'm surprised she'd even heard of them, since the idea of ninjas wasn't really known in the West until the 1960s.

Real ninjas, if there were such things, wouldn't have worn black outfits, for one thing. Those were actually the outfits worn by stagehands in Japanese theater, with the cultural convention being that they were treated as invisible and absent by the actors and the audience. At one point, some playwright had the metatextual idea to have one of these "invisible" stagehands suddenly attack and kill one of the characters, revealing himself to be a ninja assassin. That gimmick caught on, and so the all-concealing black outfit became indelibly associated with the mythology of ninjas in theater and fiction.
 
I'm afraid I had some big problems with this episode, mostly logistical.

I find it really hard to believe a 1600s man can immediately learn how to operate a 2010s next-gen sci-fi suit, no matter how "user friendly" is. I also find it difficult to swallow that he's practically invincible inside the suit. Ray's suit breaks down every other episode. ALSO? His face is exposed. And Heatwave has a flame-thrower. You shoot him in the face with fire. Doesn't matter how impervious the suit it as that point. Or you have White Canary stab him in the throat with her sword.

It's also terribly convenient that they discover a hidden cache of future tech about five minutes before Ray's suit blows up. Hmm, I wonder what he'll do next....?
 
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