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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

Photoman15 said:
Since this is not a Hitler situation (if you kill Hitler when he was a baby, someone else, maybe worse may take his place), why not go back to before he became immortal?
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I thought that was what Rip did in the opening scene. After all, we saw that the palace/temple/whatever was still intact when Rip went after Hath-Set/Savage, and IIRC, the Flash/Arrow crossover showed that the building was destroyed by meteoroids in the event that gave Savage his immortality and the Hawks their reincarnation cycle.
 
Then go back again, at night, when he's sleeping, maybe when he was 18 and didn't need to shave yet.... :)
 
Totally called that several posts back, at least partially. :) I still think they end up having to create both Savage and the Hawks after discovering SomethingReallyBad(tm) happens once Savage is killed. Maybe even winding up being the ones to give them their immortality in the first place by diverting the meteor or whatever.
 
Photoman15 said:
Then go back again, at night, when he's sleeping, maybe when he was 18 and didn't need to shave yet.... :)
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Except that Rip already tried to kill him later on - and the others have seen the implications of those actions. So it would be changing events in which they themselves were already involved which, it was suggested would be a very bad idea.
 
Time travel stories almost always end up depending on the interest generated by the characters in the story--they certainly never hold up to any scrutiny if examined too closely for anything resembling "making sense". So far, I find the characters sufficiently entertaining to keep watching. When that stops being the case, I'll stop watching. My 30 years younger me, though, would likely have dropped this show because "making sense" used to be a lot more important to me in entertainment than it is now. In real life, I prefer things "make sense"--but entertainment doesn't have to work that hard (for me).
 
Ovation said:
Time travel stories almost always end up depending on the interest generated by the characters in the story--they certainly never hold up to any scrutiny if examined too closely for anything resembling "making sense". So far, I find the characters sufficiently entertaining to keep watching. When that stops being the case, I'll stop watching. My 30 years younger me, though, would likely have dropped this show because "making sense" used to be a lot more important to me in entertainment than it is now. In real life, I prefer things "make sense"--but entertainment doesn't have to work that hard (for me).
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I think the real problem is idiots who can't follow their own rules.

This one is good.

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CorporalCaptain said:
Well, I thought the first two episodes were both mostly bad.
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Agreed, but I am forcing myself to keep watching; hoping it gets better. The most obvious and simple solutions to challenges they face are apparently eluding this group of super heroes two of whom are supposed to be genius level physicists. They all seem to suffer from the emotional maladies that 99.99% of all humans outgrow by their teens. There is no way Jefferson Jackson (1/2 of Firestorm) doesn't know what parachute pants are and there is no way he could even survive against armed trained killers much less beat the crap out of one. The fight scenes, in general are ridiculous. Why are 20 or 30 bad guys just standing around while the team beats them up a few at a time? With the massive tampering they have done with the timeline why has nothing changed?
 
Temporal inertia.

Eventually there comes a point where you return to a routine, and go to sleep one night and wake up the next day, whereafter everything you do form this point is identical to an older prestablished dissolved cure of history.

The only way for a butterfly effect to truly bollocks everything up, is if you stopped sleeping.
 
Third episode was tolerable as the show continues to establish the characters and develop them while pursuing the main storyline.

I really loved Rip's line "I've seen Men of Steel die and Dark Knight's fall.." which is a not very subtle way of referencing Superman and Batman but still feels like a clever way to slightly broaden the scope of the show (and makes you wonder what Savage did to kill Superman and Batman). The jewel heist was also a nice way to give Snart some background even though i still hate the character and actor (the whole speech pattern and acting is horrible).

It's an improvement for sure but still not a good show.. the main storyline has so many holes in it that it threatens to ruin the whole thing and i really hope they can fix it in the future though i don't know how.
 
Did he say that Savage had anything to do with those events? They appear to be references to two '90s comics storylines, The Death of Superman and Knightfall.
 
I thought it was Rip just talking about time.

Not everything is about Vandal savage.

Rip is from 2161, but are the Time Masters?

Their council might be at Vanishing Point (the end of time) or out side of time, or something weird like that, rather than that Time Master HQ is a building in 2161 San Francisco surrounded by Vandal Savage's Dog Soldiers.
 
FPAlpha said:
No but i'm sure it was intended to show how powerful Savage is.
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I just took it as a reference to Rip's experiences as a Time Master. Remember, he was already a veteran Time Master before Savage killed his family and drove him to become a renegade. So it's not like his entire time-travel career is defined by Vandal Savage -- just the most recent phase of it. He wasn't talking about Savage's deeds at that point, he was talking about how he's witnessed tragedy and failure and kept going, in order to motivate the team to keep going after Carter's death.
 
Time, the future rewrites when you "lay" additional information onto the fertile impressionable past... When we saw Vandal kill the wife and child, Savage did that without preknowing their names as early as 1975.

Now that this warlord does have this lead, Vandal can close the Hunter family much faster than 2161, and might even take a whack at Rip's father, if he hadn't been born in the 25th century.
 
Y'know, it just occurred to me seeing that date that Eobard Thawne is also from that period. I've gotta think that they're going to do something with that....
 
In the year 2059 Siri and Cortana had developed to the point of near sentience. In the summer of that year demolition of the old Star Labs particle accelerator led to a freak accident that led to the merging of those two code bases. Gideon was born and true AI with it.*


*The above is totally fictitious and not based on any spoilers, comics, or actual information regarding the show.
 
Christopher said:
Well, they both have Gideon AIs. So that's something they've done with it, however minor.
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The Flash season 1 finale also references Rip Hunter when Eobard Thawne inspects the ship that is going to take him backe remarking that Rip Hunter would approve of the ship.
 
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