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That letter sounds like one of the people in here who were nitpicking about the Green Arrow cover, it might have even been the same fan. The response is understandable...he could have handled it a bit better but I don't begrudge Booth for his response.


Anyone pick up Superman Beyond #0 yesterday? I just finished reading it and I thought it was damn cool. It picks up a year after the events of Paul Levitz's excellently written Superman/Batman Annual #4 and basically depicts Clark finding himself again and sets up possible events for a continuation. I really hope this does get an ongoing because I enjoyed it more than the current Batman Beyond books. Old Bruce and the Justice League make appearances as well. There is also a great Bruce/Clark moment at the end of the issue.
 
Anyone pick up Superman Beyond #0 yesterday? I just finished reading it and I thought it was damn cool. It picks up a year after the events of Paul Levitz's excellently written Superman/Batman Annual #4 and basically depicts Clark finding himself again and sets up possible events for a continuation. I really hope this does get an ongoing because I enjoyed it more than the current Batman Beyond books. Old Bruce and the Justice League make appearances as well. There is also a great Bruce/Clark moment at the end of the issue.

Yeah, I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to more issues.
 
Has anyone read the final issue of JLA? (#60) That was just plain weird - and reading between the lines probably the strongest case of "look what we're losing" I've seen. I mean, the first words in the comic are "Pity" and then the issue proceeds to chronicle in point form a whole load of not-to-be chronicled storylines and adventures in a "remember when we..." type of thing before a rather abrupt wrap-up. Sort of a "here are the stories we had planned but now won't be doing."

You can read a bit more about this in this blog:

http://dangermart.blogspot.com/2011/08/justice-league-of-america-60-review.html

Damn, the Saturn-Thanagar War storyline looked rather cool.

And reading some of the dialogue - I really do get the feeling the people behind that comic aren't too cheery. You have Supergirl, following a recap of a couple of adventures we've never seen, saying "None of that matters anymore" in a surprisingly pessimistic tone (this is SUPERGIRL, folks). And then a character calls her up on it and says "You having to leave the team doesn't change all that you've done"

The next page, Donna Troy comes out and says "Guys, I just don't feel it anymore" (quoting almost verbatim what some of the naysayers like myself have said in the forums) as she resigns and in fact gives up being a superhero to be a photographer.

And near the end, we have the Dick Grayson Batman saying to Donna "I can guarantee not everyone is going to forget you" - is Donna Troy being eliminated from continuity in the reboot?

And if you think I'm reading too much into it? The statement I just quoted from Batman is in response to Donna saying "Do you think they'll remember us ... the people, the world. Think they'll remember this version of the JLA and all that we did?"

I've been picking up the final issues as they come along - a moment of silence for Action Comics (and I don't care what others think - IMO the comic coming out in September is a new magazine with the same title) - but while Zatanna and Power Girl told rather charming, if inconsequential standalone stories, and Supergirl rather abruptly wrapped up a story arc I think was intended to go longer, this JLA finale was the first one that really struck me with the subtext - and I wasn't looking for any. As a result JLA #60 might rank as one of the more fascinating comics of the year because I really got the feeling the writers were not too pleased about the state of affairs.

Alex
 
I mentioned JLA #60 a couple pages ago I think and brought up Dick and Donna's conversation. As I said it is unfortunate that Robinson didn't get to realize the entirety of his run with this team, he has stated in previous interviews his affection for this particular incarnation and he seemed really proud with what he was able to accomplish and excited about what was yet to come. Yeah the "flashbacks" seemed to be clues about what he intended, similar to Batgirl #24's Black Mercy sequence.

I think Donna is still included in the relaunch but her actual role hasn't been defined yet.
 
The fan might have been more tactful in his/her expression but that post and the reply by the artist tell a lot about the relaunch.

DC couldn't care enough about the final product to do more than a rush job on the cover, and the editors couldn't even care about getting proper research done to portray their star archer properly.

So why would anyone put out three dollars to pay for a book that even its creators don't give a damn about?
 
I understand what you mean theenglish but I don't think you can generalize the relaunch based on just one angry nitpicker's fan mail or a creator's response to it. We do know that they've been implementing this relaunch since "October" ( right Broc ;) ) so it is no wonder that maybe some of the quality of these books will be affected. We simply won't know until a couple of weeks from now when the first batch of books comes out.
 
And if you think I'm reading too much into it? The statement I just quoted from Batman is in response to Donna saying "Do you think they'll remember us ... the people, the world. Think they'll remember this version of the JLA and all that we did?"

BleedingCool published those pages a week or two ago.

Clearly DC's editors don't see any harm in pandering to sentimentality to sell a few extra issues this month. I'm sure there are still a few misguided souls who buy multiples and stick them in plastic bags in the hope that they'll be worth more than the cost of a Starbucks latte someday. :lol:
 
Eh, I like bagging and boarding my comics. No, I don't expect to get rich off of them (unless I get around to building that time machine and go back to 1938), but I do like to keep my collection in a nice condition.
 
I understand what you mean theenglish but I don't think you can generalize the relaunch based on just one angry nitpicker's fan mail or a creator's response to it. We do know that they've been implementing this relaunch since "October" ( right Broc ;) ) so it is no wonder that maybe some of the quality of these books will be affected. We simply won't know until a couple of weeks from now when the first batch of books comes out.

I am only half serious in my comments, but nevertheless, if one of my employees made a comment like that it would certainly be grounds for dismissal.
 
Earlier today DC's The Source Blog posted 52 one line teases for each of the 52 numbers 1s. At first they didn't reveal which comics they were from, but since they posted it the first time they've revealed two of them.

“If you’re not moving, you’re not living.”
“If we stop looking to the present and the past, and instead we look to the future…if we ask ourselves what can be–what it will be tomorrow… then we’re asking the right question. Because to hope, to dream, to predict is to shape the city yourself, rather than to be shaped by it.”
“Maybe this is all connected to that guy in Metropolis.”
“You think you and your ‘army’ stand a chance against Superman and a half dozen Green Lanterns and Wonder Woman?”
“They ended the revolution and freed our country. Then they disappeared.”
“Do we look like ‘super-heroes’? We’re the professionals.”
“He’s the worst kind of killer. One with no true pattern.”
“Hee…That’s so cute. You think you’re scary. But mister, I’ve seen scary. And you ain’t got his smile.”
“What I do, I do for the good of the universe. Something you lost sight of thousands of years ago.”
“I’m losing control.”
“We don’t… We don’t call it that. It could be the key to all human knowledge. Black holes. Time travel. Physics, on another level.”
“What I want is your complete attention and for you to understand that your life is now mine.”
“You are not the first doctor I’ve known that tried to play god.”
“Flashpoint effect has definitely closed off time travel.”
“I’ve always enjoyed your sense of humor, Booster.”
“He makes a sound like a supersonic bomber. And then it looks like his shadow itself turns against him.”
“How’s it feel to be nobody’s favorite super-hero?”
“I remember a time when you would have begged me to stop playing superhero!”
“Maybe I was never a good guy, and maybe I was never the really big fish. But if there’s one thing I do know from living other’s people’s lives, it’s that I’ve changed.”
“How long have I been here? How long have I been frozen like this?”
“I always thought you could change the world, Michael.”“Some people don’t like having their secrets exposed.”
“The only reason I’m here is ’cause if anything happens to you–that would make me the worst former sidekick ever.”
“You think I need a ‘team?’”
“You could do so much good! WE could do so much good!”
“Good to see you, Barbara.”
“Nature sounds its own warning bell.”
“Welcome to Cellblock D of the Central Asian Supermax Meta-Human Facility.”
“I thought I’d left that world behind me. That maybe I could do more good working from the shadows. Apparently, I was wrong. I’m going to need help.”
“You’re Welcome, my friend. And New York City, you’re welcome too!”
“If that scarab pops back up, I want any Green Lanterns within five parsecs to know it.”
“You’ve been partners with this guy for a couple of years, and you still haven’t told him where you really came from?”
“A bunch of Lanterns have just died in sector 3599.”
“We are too late.”
“Because the entire time THEY have been studying ME? I have been studying THEM.”
“This time it spells trouble.”
“I swear to God I don’t know nothin’ about the Gotham Butcher.”
“You’re just in time for your destiny.”
“Miles? Why, my beautiful girls…. You can see forever.”
“People are goin’ nuts. Wait ‘til they watch us kill him.”
“Oh, God. Oh, God. I just murdered someone!”
“You are the parent of your own fear.”
“Kyle Rayner of Earth, you have been chosen.”
“You’re not my partner, you’re my son.”
“Find out who is under that mask.”
“For this great mission I will need help. I will need followers who are prepared to follow me into the jaws of death, and worse…”
“You’ll have my undivided attention… And I’m pretty sure I’ll have yours.”
“Just when I’ve set up my new life, my old one comes back. Well played, Gotham."
“I didn’t even know how much I missed it.”
“The dream isn’t over.”
“The future is being re-made.”

So far the only two that have been revealed are

“He’s the worst kind of killer. One with no true pattern.”
- Batman in DETECTIVE COMICS #1
“You are not the first doctor I’ve known that tried to play god.”
– Frankenstein in FRANKENSTEIN, AGENT OF S.H.A.D.E. #1
My guesses:
"If you're not moving, you're not living": The Flash,
"Good to see you, Barbara": Batgirl
“If that scarab pops back up, I want any Green Lanterns within five parsecs to know it.”: Blue Beetle?
“A bunch of Lanterns have just died in sector 3599.”: Green Lantern Corps
“You are the parent of your own fear.”: Green Lantern
“Kyle Rayner of Earth, you have been chosen.”: New Guardians
“You’re not my partner, you’re my son.”: Batman & Robin
“Just when I’ve set up my new life, my old one comes back. Well played, Gotham.”: Nightwing
 
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Eh, I like bagging and boarding my comics. No, I don't expect to get rich off of them (unless I get around to building that time machine and go back to 1938), but I do like to keep my collection in a nice condition.
You should scan them. Actually, maybe not, since that is the hugest pain. I wish everything I owned were just in my computer, though. I'd only need two pieces of furniture.

Actually, I dunno--which is likely to last longer, a digital copy (with backups) or the physical artifact? I guess one is at least likelier to survive the nuclear holocaust.

“Oh, God. Oh, God. I just murdered someone!”
I'm betting Grifter, since that's the premise of the book. Could be Voodoo. In any event, no one important is gonna kill anybody, because I doubt there's a reboot in the world capable of giving DC superheroes a moral compass any real human would recognize. I'm also assuming, probably optimistically, that the term "murder" is used accurately. Because it almost never is.
 
Eh, I like bagging and boarding my comics. No, I don't expect to get rich off of them (unless I get around to building that time machine and go back to 1938), but I do like to keep my collection in a nice condition.
You should scan them. Actually, maybe not, since that is the hugest pain. I wish everything I owned were just in my computer, though. I'd only need two pieces of furniture.

God, no! I hate reading things off a computer screen if I have a hard copy available. Probably why I doubt I'll ever by an e-reader. :lol:

Eh, I like bagging and boarding my comics. No, I don't expect to get rich off of them (unless I get around to building that time machine and go back to 1938), but I do like to keep my collection in a nice condition.

Which is different.

Yes, I realize that.
 
Yeah, it's not even that I don't think the archery guy was way too passive-aggressive and chose his words poorly, but 1)if he's correct, it's still valid criticism and 2)Booth was disproportionate in his response, and "fuck you, Green Arrow sucks anyway" is simply an unprofessional thing to say. (Even if Green Arrow does, indeed, suck.) And if you don't have time to do a google image search, you don't have time to yell at fans via multiple email exchanges.

The followup's more even-tempered, though, I'll give him that, although it paints a sad picture of an artist's life. :p

ETA: I also think it would make a difference whether this was a cover (as it was--pretty bland, btw, but for three hours it's a Goddamn masterpiece), or interior art. As a standalone piece, I think it's alright to hold cover art to a higher standard of representational accuracy, composition, etc.

I did like this one comment at BC:

If Greg Land had done this cover, it would've been totally accurate.
:D

Booth is a dick.

Nitpicky fans have been around for forever, and in the old days they'd have said something like
"We'll try to do better next time, guy!" regardless of whether or not they actually did. It's called being professional and I don't see why the comics industry snowflakes think they get a wider leeway to act that way than any other job.
 
Yep. 'Course, in the old days Julie Schwarz would've hit him with his whip.

Eh, I like bagging and boarding my comics. No, I don't expect to get rich off of them (unless I get around to building that time machine and go back to 1938), but I do like to keep my collection in a nice condition.
You should scan them. Actually, maybe not, since that is the hugest pain. I wish everything I owned were just in my computer, though. I'd only need two pieces of furniture.

God, no! I hate reading things off a computer screen if I have a hard copy available. Probably why I doubt I'll ever by an e-reader. :lol:

It's only a pain for me with splash pages, but I don't really mind it, and really that's more of a criticism of monitor dimensions than the concept.

Otherwise, I like how the art can be blown up beyond the standard 6.625 X 10.25 frame.
 
I have a monitor that rotates so if I'm reading comics on the PC it's fine. However, the other day, I picked up a touchpad in the firesale and that is a great comics reader. If there are splash pages, I simply turn it.
 
I have a monitor that rotates so if I'm reading comics on the PC it's fine. However, the other day, I picked up a touchpad in the firesale and that is a great comics reader. If there are splash pages, I simply turn it.
It has a little motor and everything, or do you have to turn it manually? If the former, that'd be pretty darn high technological.
 
Ok, so did Batman: The Dark Knight #5 just set up a plotline that it's never going to follow through with?
 
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