DC to REBOOT???

[JoeZhang]

I'm curious to see what will happen with Batman Inc - the last few months saw Morrison set up a sub-plot where Steph Batgirl went undercover in a 'school for evil' (The writer of Batgirl also mentions it in his second to last issue in what appears to be a jab at either DC editorial or Morrison) and it's also mentioned in the 'coming soon' at the end of Batman Inc. 8.

However Steph doesn't exist in the new Universe (AFAIK) - so will the story reflect that or will Morrison simply finish his story like nothing has happened?

Are we in for a really confusing trade collection where characters randomly change between chapters?

 

[Stevil2001]

Stephanie seems to exist, just not as Batgirl (boo!), and if she's undercover, it might not be an issue what her secret identity is.

 

[JoeZhang]

Stephanie seems to exist, just not as Batgirl (boo!), and if she's undercover, it might not be an issue what her secret identity is.

The preview talks about Batman and Batgirl - even if it's not - it will still read odd in trade if they change it midstream.

 

[Myasishchev]

Man, people complain about continuity in modern superhero comics, claim it's killing the genre, etc. I'm reading a comic from 1960 right now that doesn't make a lick of sense unless you read another comic from, I don't know, 1958 or something. Who is this Van-Zee guy? Why does he look just like Superman? Why is he married to someone who looks just like Lois Lane? How did they breed? This is insane. Can you imagine picking this up off a spinner rack forty years before Wikipedia was invented? I guess back in the old days people just knew how to roll with it.

ETA: For fuck's sake, the double of Superman has a double. I feel like I'm watching Primer.

 

[C_Miller]

Is there any official location for Metropolis and Gotham? I know Metropolis is supposed to be in the Mid West like Kansas, or is that a "Smallville" invention? I know Gotham is on the water but is that the Atlantic or the Great Lakes?

Both cities are on the East Coast. Metropolis is in Delaware, on the coast pretty much due east of Dover. Gotham is in New Jersey, about where Atlantic City is.

Smallville itself wasn't in the midwest until the Donner movie. Prior to that, it was in Maryland.

According to the DC Comics Database Star and Coast Cities are both in California, and Keystone City is in Kansas. Those are the only major DC cities I can think of ATM.

There's also Central City, which is across the river from Keystone in Missouri. Flash Cover both. There's Blüdhaven in New Jersey. Somewhat of a Sister City to Gotham. Dick Grayson took care of that one when he was Nightwing. Starman takes place in Opal City. Fawcett City is where Captain Marvel and Family live. Hawkman operates out of St. Roch, which is essentially Louisiana. Then of course there's Smallville. Not big, but important to the mythos.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's also Ivy Town where the Atom operates and near by is Calvin City home the Golden Age Atom. Both in New England. Gateway City was Wonder Woman's base of operation in Byrne's run and is in California. The original Mister Terrific also lived there ( or in a city of the same name). Before St Roch, Hawkman was based in Midway City ( as was the Doom Patrol), which is in the midwest, I think in Michigan. The JLA secret sanctuary was in Happy Harbor, Rhode Island. At Marvel, the Fantastic Four lived in Central City for a very short time

 

[C_Miller]

There's also Ivy Town where the Atom operates and near by is Calvin City home the Golden Age Atom. Both in New England. Gateway City was Wonder Woman's base of operation in Byrne's run and is in California. The original Mister Terrific also lived there ( or in a city of the same name). Before St Roch, Hawkman was based in Midway City ( as was the Doom Patrol), which is in the midwest, I think in Michigan. The JLA secret sanctuary was in Happy Harbor, Rhode Island. At Marvel, the Fantastic Four lived in Central City for a very short time

... show off...

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's also Ivy Town where the Atom operates and near by is Calvin City home the Golden Age Atom. Both in New England. Gateway City was Wonder Woman's base of operation in Byrne's run and is in California. The original Mister Terrific also lived there ( or in a city of the same name). Before St Roch, Hawkman was based in Midway City ( as was the Doom Patrol), which is in the midwest, I think in Michigan. The JLA secret sanctuary was in Happy Harbor, Rhode Island. At Marvel, the Fantastic Four lived in Central City for a very short time

... show off...

I am a geek of great magnitude cursed with a brain full of useless information.

 

[Mike Farley]

There's also Hub City, home of the Question (Vick Sage), and Brick City,one time home of Black Lightning,

 

[JoeZhang]

Loved this from bleeding cool:

some guy emailed Brett Booth about his Green Arrow cover for the first issue of the relaunch:

Dear Mr. Booth:

I've always loved reading Green Arrow, not only as a comic book fan, but as an avid archer as well, and I was excited to see the cover for the new Green Arrow #1. Unfortunately, However, I did notice inaccuracies in your art. To be honest, accurate portrayal of archery has been a problem I've always tried to overlook in comic books, but you've forced me to ?nally speak up.

On your cover, Ollie's technique - and I mean this in the most constructive way possible - is appalling. He's pulling the string back like an amateur, and he's holding the arrow with what seems his entire ?st, which I assume is the only reason it hasn't fallen to the ground, as it doesn't look to be resting on anything at all. I know an inexperienced comic book fan wouldn't notice this, but I'm sure I can't be the only archer that enjoys Green Arrow. Quite frankly, it's such a jarring mistake that it completely destroys my willful suspension of disbelief. I mean, he IS supposed to be an expert archer. Your cover clearly illustrates that he is, in fact, a fool. And I'm not even going to get in to what that silly thing he's holding is supposed to be.

So please, as a service to fans of my kind, research a little bit more before drawing such painfully blatant inaccuracies. You wouldn't expect an artist to draw a gun or an airplane without knowing what it looked like, so please show archery the same respect.

Sincerely,

P.S. The new costume is pretty wicked, though.

His response?

Dude, Fuck off.

I was asked to do that cover in like 3 hours. To be honest, I don't like GA, I did it as a favor.

Go shoot some arrows instead of wasting my time

http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46411

 

[Myasishchev]

Wow.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Good on ya Brett!

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Awesome.

 

[Myasishchev]

Ok, to clarify, I think Booth's being an asshole.

I guess reasonable minds may differ.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Reasonable minds???? This is the internet.

 

[Skywalker]

The fan was being an asshole. Good on Booth.

 

[Broccoli]

While the letter is a little fanboy nitpickish, Brett Booth comes off as a douche bag here. His response was totally uncalled for and could have been handled in a completely different and mature way.

This is part of the problem I have with the comic industry with creators showing contempt for their audience. Yeah, they are going to encounter people a bit too passionate about the medium. But they also have to realize the medium is dying. To have an ego and piss off the remaining people still buying the stuff seems incredibly misguided.

It is partly why I will always like creators such as Mark Millar. Regardless of what I think of his work, he comes off as such a genuine guy who is very appreciative of the readers.

 

[Myasishchev]

Yeah, it's not even that I don't think the archery guy was way too passive-aggressive and chose his words poorly, but 1)if he's correct, it's still valid criticism and 2)Booth was disproportionate in his response, and "fuck you, Green Arrow sucks anyway" is simply an unprofessional thing to say. (Even if Green Arrow does, indeed, suck.) And if you don't have time to do a google image search, you don't have time to yell at fans via multiple email exchanges.

The followup's more even-tempered, though, I'll give him that, although it paints a sad picture of an artist's life.

ETA: I also think it would make a difference whether this was a cover (as it was--pretty bland, btw, but for three hours it's a Goddamn masterpiece), or interior art. As a standalone piece, I think it's alright to hold cover art to a higher standard of representational accuracy, composition, etc.

I did like this one comment at BC:

If Greg Land had done this cover, it would've been totally accurate.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I'm with Broccoli on this one. I understand the comic book artists/writers have to get tired of nitpicky fanboys constantly harrassing them over every little detail, but there had to be a better way to react than that.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I did like this one comment at BC:

If Greg Land had done this cover, it would've been totally accurate.

Is there archery porn out there Land could trace from? That's the issue for Land, finding the appropriate source material.