DC to REBOOT???
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I find it more laughable that you believe this rumor.
How is it a rumor? The guy in the article says he was told this, and he was the first to break the reboot story in the first place. If anything it's just unconfirmed.
Reverting Superman back to his single days is something I expected once the reboot was confirmed, and doing so via a line-wide reboot doesn't seem any more lame to me than how Marvel wiped away Spider-Man's marriage. Quite the opposite in fact.
I like how Grant Morrison is writing the Superman ongoing. That gives me hope. I'm still waiting for Batman details. Maybe Grant is still going to writing the main Batman book whatever it is. I guess his Leviathan arc storyline will be wrapped up by August.
Unless they can churn out 9 more issues of Batman, it won't.
In some ways it seems that DC is revamping the characters, but dropping them in the midst of current continuity, at least with Green Lantern.
Honestly, the whole thing screams "gimmick." DC just went through Brightest Day, which reinstated Swamp Thing into the DCU. Why did they bother when they could have just held off until the reboot?
What about Grant Morrison's Batman Incorporated, which, from what I can tell, seems to have more to go than 3 more issues of story?
What about the ending of Brightest Day: Justice League Generation Lost, which heralded the return of the Justice League International?
And then there's Green Lantern, which they put a lot of effort into over the past 7 years, but they seem to want to keep some of it. How can they reboot everything, but keep big chunks of GL?
And it's only been about 2-3 years since the Legion has been rebooted, back to its pre-Crisis status quo. But, then given that the Legion had a mini-reboot in 1986 (making Superboy a visitor from a pocket universe instead of a young Kal-El, due to Crisis on Infinite Earths), a soft-reset in 1990 to wipe out Superboy totally, a total reboot in 1994 to conicide with Zero Hour, another total reboot in 2005 around the time of Infinite Crisis, and, most recently, the aforementioned reset/reboot in 2008/9 (which, honestly, began in 2007 when we first saw the "original" Legion characters reappear, moreso in late 2007/early 2008 with "Superman and the Legion of Super-Heores" story arc in Action Comics, and then fully in 2008/9 with Legion of Three Worlds). Except for the gap between Zero Hour and the "Threeboot," it seems a Legion reboot, hard or soft, occurs every 3-4 years.
Sorry, I'm rambling, but I'm definitely in the boat of loving DC's vast history and am afraid for this. DC seems to have a habit of finding ways of having their reboots come back and bite them. To be honest, it seems the biggest problem has been DC's reluctance to reboot everything (which created the infamous problems with the Legion and Hawkman in particular post CoIE and the numerous misses after Zero Hour). Reading this, again, it seems they want to keep what they feel works, jettison the rest, and hope it all works out.
I fear DC is going to make the same mistakes. At the same time, I have been waiting a long time to read Geoff Johns on Justice League, but, to be honest, while he still puts out some great stuff, Johns seems to have more misses than hits recently.
Honestly, the whole thing screams "gimmick." DC just went through Brightest Day, which reinstated Swamp Thing into the DCU. Why did they bother when they could have just held off until the reboot?
What about Grant Morrison's Batman Incorporated, which, from what I can tell, seems to have more to go than 3 more issues of story?
What about the ending of Brightest Day: Justice League Generation Lost, which heralded the return of the Justice League International?
And then there's Green Lantern, which they put a lot of effort into over the past 7 years, but they seem to want to keep some of it. How can they reboot everything, but keep big chunks of GL?
And it's only been about 2-3 years since the Legion has been rebooted, back to its pre-Crisis status quo. But, then given that the Legion had a mini-reboot in 1986 (making Superboy a visitor from a pocket universe instead of a young Kal-El, due to Crisis on Infinite Earths), a soft-reset in 1990 to wipe out Superboy totally, a total reboot in 1994 to conicide with Zero Hour, another total reboot in 2005 around the time of Infinite Crisis, and, most recently, the aforementioned reset/reboot in 2008/9 (which, honestly, began in 2007 when we first saw the "original" Legion characters reappear, moreso in late 2007/early 2008 with "Superman and the Legion of Super-Heores" story arc in Action Comics, and then fully in 2008/9 with Legion of Three Worlds). Except for the gap between Zero Hour and the "Threeboot," it seems a Legion reboot, hard or soft, occurs every 3-4 years.
Sorry, I'm rambling, but I'm definitely in the boat of loving DC's vast history and am afraid for this. DC seems to have a habit of finding ways of having their reboots come back and bite them. To be honest, it seems the biggest problem has been DC's reluctance to reboot everything (which created the infamous problems with the Legion and Hawkman in particular post CoIE and the numerous misses after Zero Hour). Reading this, again, it seems they want to keep what they feel works, jettison the rest, and hope it all works out.
I fear DC is going to make the same mistakes. At the same time, I have been waiting a long time to read Geoff Johns on Justice League, but, to be honest, while he still puts out some great stuff, Johns seems to have more misses than hits recently.
I find it interesting they went out of their way to make 52 number one issues. We do remember what 52 means?
Is there any confirmation that these issues all take place in the same reality? Is Justice League #1 the story of Earth 6? Superman #1 the story of Earth 15? Will Grant Morrison's long delayed Multiversity tie it all together?
I'm not sure Flashpoint ends with Flashpoint. I think reality is going to get shattered and we'll be lost for a little while before finding our way back to New Earth.
Is there any confirmation that these issues all take place in the same reality? Is Justice League #1 the story of Earth 6? Superman #1 the story of Earth 15? Will Grant Morrison's long delayed Multiversity tie it all together?
I'm not sure Flashpoint ends with Flashpoint. I think reality is going to get shattered and we'll be lost for a little while before finding our way back to New Earth.
Yeah, it's almost like why continue buying issues because you know this continuity will be wiped out come September? That being said, I'll stick with War of the Green Lanterns since I only have one issue to go. Probably pick up the Static one shot/Dwayne McDuffie tribute. I heard they were canceling the new Static before they even put it out. Hopefully he'll find new life post-Flashpoint.
As for some of the purported changes, I'm not jazzed about breaking up Superman and Lois, but at the same time, this seems a better way to do it than One More Day. And if the break up can lead to a rejuvenated Superman a la Brand New Day, then I'm all for that.
I'm also excited to see Aquaman getting some much deserved respect. As for the rest of the books, I'm not sure. Wonder Woman needs help so this might be a good thing for her. But jeez, she just got rebooted only a year ago, or less than that. I wonder what this will mean for books I've been digging like Secret Six? Will they stick around or will that book fall by the wayside?
The big reboot is a gutsy move by DC. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.
As for some of the purported changes, I'm not jazzed about breaking up Superman and Lois, but at the same time, this seems a better way to do it than One More Day. And if the break up can lead to a rejuvenated Superman a la Brand New Day, then I'm all for that.
I'm also excited to see Aquaman getting some much deserved respect. As for the rest of the books, I'm not sure. Wonder Woman needs help so this might be a good thing for her. But jeez, she just got rebooted only a year ago, or less than that. I wonder what this will mean for books I've been digging like Secret Six? Will they stick around or will that book fall by the wayside?
The big reboot is a gutsy move by DC. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.
It's probably not the way to lure in new readers, no. But they had to know that this would piss off existing fans, and digital distribution would piss off retailers. There's no way DC is just too dumb to have predicted the outrage.
My guess is they just don't care. It's Hail Mary play. If it doesn't work, they'll either revert it all back to some point in time or give up on the comic business altogether and mine the characters for TV and film.
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That actually makes sense. I have a feeling Legion Lost will be a key title if this is true. The ZH Legion, as of Legion of Three Worlds became the new "Wanderers" travelling the multiverse. I'd be beside myself if they were featured in this title.
That actually makes sense. I have a feeling Legion Lost will be a key title if this is true. The ZH Legion, as of Legion of Three Worlds became the new "Wanderers" travelling the multiverse. I'd be beside myself if they were featured in this title.
No reason any of you should expect any more respect from DC, than lifelong readers got 26 years ago, when the Crisis wiped out their childhood memories in search of a younger demo.
Some good and bad news here... I'm concerned about the line wide reboot but some of the individual titles sound pretty exciting. Jim Lee and Geoff Johns on Justice League? With the main characters and not some C listers? Hell yeah. I haven't been jazzed about JL since the first ten issues.
Reaction from fans has generally been more measured than I expected. What DC is aiming to do, it seems to me, is keep the niche hobbyist direct market going to provide some measure of stability while building digital comics as the gateway for new readers and a more broad-based market. They're not really trying to lure new readers to buy $3-4 comics. They're trying to lure them to buy digital comics, while aiming to keep the existing hobbyist base buying physical comics, including hopefully winning back some of the hobbyist base that's drifted away.
In broad terms I think it's exactly the right strategy, but it remains to be seen whether it's backed by the right kind of marketing and editorial approach.
Yeah, because Marvel would never do any stupid and controversial with the continuity of a character like...oh, Spider-Man.
He's been married to Mary Jane, like, forever, right?
Jeez, "glad I'm a Marvel guy?" Dude, Marvel just about invented this kind of clusterfuck and no one can come close to them for wrretched lameness in the execution of it.
I have an 80/20 rule it seems when agreeing with Dennis, this is falling in the 20% I agree with spot.
Yeah, because Marvel would never do any stupid and controversial with the continuity of a character like...oh, Spider-Man.
He's been married to Mary Jane, like, forever, right?
Jeez, "glad I'm a Marvel guy?" Dude, Marvel just about invented this kind of clusterfuck and no one can come close to them for wrretched lameness in the execution of it.
Despite DC really popularizing this with the '86 Crisis Marvel took it and mastered it from about '98 - 2006.
Marvel can't claim any superiority here, NONE.
Tom Brevoort hinted in his Friday interview that they have big plans for next summer, a huge event of some kind.
Yeah, because Marvel would never do any stupid and controversial with the continuity of a character like...oh, Spider-Man.
He's been married to Mary Jane, like, forever, right?
Jeez, "glad I'm a Marvel guy?" Dude, Marvel just about invented this kind of clusterfuck and no one can come close to them for wrretched lameness in the execution of it.
I wasn't really speaking about the marriage re-boot than the line-wide re-boot in general. (Actually, in hindsight, I probably shoudn't have quoted anybody.)
But since you brought up the whole Spider-Man/Mary Jane fiasco, I can honestly say that I've had zero interest in Peter Parker's books since that happened and can't ever see my ever regaining it.
I also had zero interest in Heroes Reborn/Return and zero interest in Ultimate Marvel. But at least both of those re-boots kept the previous continuity largely intact. DC's wholesale re-booting of everything is what I was saying was lame.
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