DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

[TREK_GOD_1]

Because the purpose of the discussion is not to classify the series based on how they connect to various other series and movies but based on the people who produced them, ie, the CW network and Berlanti.

That is the relevant description--anyone citing the DC/CW (for a reference to quality, or anything else) is only referring to the TV series produced by Berlanti's production company, not any tenuous connections between "universes" from other production companies and studios, which have no official or in some cases, legal connection to Berlanti / WB.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The first 2 to 3 seasons of CW's The Flash are the best live action DC based TV show ever made in my opinion, and (as much as you can compare TV shows to movies) better then most of the live action films DC has ever put out (not just DCEU).

It went downhill from there, drastically downhill, but Flash (and Arrow, to a lesser extent) were legitimately great for the first parts of their run, which people seem to forget, especially people that like to trash the CW shows in general.

The first three seasons of the Flash are the only ones of that show I watched and the only truly good part of them was the first 5 or maybe 10 episodes of season 2. I never watched a full season of Arrow because every single episode I tried to watch, including the ones that fans claimed were the best the show had to offer, was among the most awful episodes of television I ever saw.

 

[Dee1891]

I think all of the comic book movie/television franchises have gone down the drain - Arrowverse, the MCU, DCEU, Marvel Television and DisneyPlus.

 

[Christopher]

I think all of the comic book movie/television franchises have gone down the drain - Arrowverse, the MCU, DCEU, Marvel Television and DisneyPlus.

I really don't get why some people think the MCU is in decline. After the hugeness of Endgame, it's just gone back to a more normal level of storytelling, but it's become richer and more diverse in genre and style than ever. It's constantly trying new things, widening its scope, and becoming more creatively dynamic and experimental, all of which is the opposite of a creative decline.

I'm confused by the mention of Marvel Television, which no longer exists, and Disney+, which is a streaming outlet rather than a single franchise.

As for the DCEU, I think it started out weak but got better once it stopped trying to copy the MCU's shared universe and just let each individual film be its own thing. It hasn't all been good -- I felt Shazam and Wonder Woman 1984 were weak -- but it had found an approach that worked on the whole. Unfortunately, it sounds like the awful new bosses are going back to the old mistake of trying to copy the MCU.

 

[fireproof78]

I think all of the comic book movie/television franchises have gone down the drain - Arrowverse, the MCU, DCEU, Marvel Television and DisneyPlus.

I might not regard it as down the drain but it definitely lacks the shine to attract my attention.

 

[DigificWriter]

I really don't get why some people think the MCU is in decline.

Because Box Office success does not equal quality.

With only a few exceptions, the quality of the MCU's storytelling has gone down the drain over the years in favor of cheap spectacle, and now the bloom is so far off that rose, as it were, that there's absolutely nothing interesting going on to draw in or keep viewers.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I think all of the comic book movie/television franchises have gone down the drain - Arrowverse, the MCU, DCEU, Marvel Television and DisneyPlus.

Most of the superhero franchises have been on a steady decline, with those overproducing content taking the lion's share of said decline.

Because Box Office success does not equal quality.

Some still have a very difficult time understanding quantity is not a measure of success, and historically, when any movie franchise has been run for too long, a significant drop in quality was a guaranteed consequence, particularly when the creativity behind the franchise was not so strong at its start (or core).

With only a few exceptions, the quality of the MCU's storytelling has gone down the drain over the years in favor of cheap spectacle, and now the bloom is so far off that rose, as it were, that there's absolutely nothing interesting going on to draw in or keep viewers.

Largely in agreement; I am only looking forward to the 4th Captain America film (without question, the far and away best written / most mature "chapter" of the MCU/TV).

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Because Box Office success does not equal quality.

With only a few exceptions, the quality of the MCU's storytelling has gone down the drain over the years in favor of cheap spectacle, and now the bloom is so far off that rose, as it were, that there's absolutely nothing interesting going on to draw in or keep viewers.

Interesting that you bring viewers into it after saying box office doesn't equal quality. Why not just say that you've lost interest in it?

 

[Tuskin38]

that there's absolutely nothing interesting going on to draw in or keep viewers.

In your opinion.

 

[JD]

Because Box Office success does not equal quality.

With only a few exceptions, the quality of the MCU's storytelling has gone down the drain over the years in favor of cheap spectacle, and now the bloom is so far off that rose, as it were, that there's absolutely nothing interesting going on to draw in or keep viewers.

You say thtat, but last year the #1, #2, #4, and #6 movies were all MCU movies, and so far this year the #2, #6, and #7 movies were all MCU movies. No, they're not making the massive record breaking numbers some of the earlier movies did, but they're still very popular.

 

[DigificWriter]

You say thtat, but last year the #1, #2, #4, and #6 movies were all MCU movies, and so far this year the #2, #6, and #7 movies were all MCU movies

Again, Box Office success does not equal quality.

Making a bunch of money doesn't suddenly make a crappy film not crappy.

 

[JD]

I didn't say it did, but you said it was not drawing or keeping viewers, and obviously it hasn't lost too many people since they've still been some of the top movies in the years that they've been released.

 

[DigificWriter]

you said it was not drawing or keeping viewers

That isn't what I said. I said that, with a few exceptions, the MCU movies aren't drawing in viewers by relying on interesting storytelling.

People aren't going to see MCU movies because said movies are actually interesting; they're going to see them because they're formulaic and don't require any level of critical thinking.

The MCU movies that have actually featured interesting storytelling are also sadly the movies that have made the least amount at the Box Office.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

People are going to see MCU movies because they enjoy them. You can keep your patronising bs explanations of why other people supposedly enjoy what they do to yourself.

 

[Anwar]

That isn't what I said. I said that, with a few exceptions, the MCU movies aren't drawing in viewers by relying on interesting storytelling

Proof?

People aren't going to see MCU movies because said movies are actually interesting; they're going to see them because they're formulaic and don't require any level of critical thinking.

Proof?

The MCU movies that have actually featured interesting storytelling are also sadly the movies that have made the least amount at the Box Office.

Proof?

 

[Gov Kodos]

That isn't what I said. I said that, with a few exceptions, the MCU movies aren't drawing in viewers by relying on interesting storytelling.

Interesting to them. Your opinion of the films is relevant to no one but yourself.

People aren't going to see MCU movies because said movies are actually interesting; they're going to see them because they're formulaic and don't require any level of critical thinking.

They're stupid for liking what you deem bad. Impressive analysis.

The MCU movies that have actually featured interesting storytelling are also sadly the movies that have made the least amount at the Box Office.

Or, they just weren't that interesting or entertaining.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

That isn't what I said. I said that, with a few exceptions, the MCU movies aren't drawing in viewers by relying on interesting storytelling.

People aren't going to see MCU movies because said movies are actually interesting; they're going to see them because they're formulaic and don't require any level of critical thinking.

The MCU movies that have actually featured interesting storytelling are also sadly the movies that have made the least amount at the Box Office.

Didn't know they made keyboards for you to type on that reached such a high horse.

I can't speak for "people" (shocked that you can) but I find the movies as interesting and entertaining as before, meaning some more so, some less so, not everything is perfect, like every phase so far. But this phase is the LEAST formulaic the MCU has ever been.

And, actually, I think I'm enjoying the shows more than any of the movies from any phase. Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk have been a (non-formulaic) delight. Like Star Wars, maybe the better stuff is away from the theatre?

Now that I think about it, the most entertaining thing to me that the DCU put out so far was a streaming show. It's unfortunate that WB basically said that the theatre experience is the future (because money, obviously) when the better stuff seems to be for streaming. Getting time to know your characters and build a story around is so much better than 2 hours and done. Not that corporate greed at WB cares, but, oh well, it is what it is.

Also, DC related. Been dabbling in the Multiverses game a bit. Black Adam is teased to be in it next. The synergy has got me a bit more excited for that movie. But mostly to see Hawkman on the big screen. Hope they don't mess that up.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Interesting to them. Your opinion of the films is relevant to no one but yourself.

While true, this also applies to the MCU defenders who parachuted in here to offer their opinion as if it were some sort of evidence of the opposite of what DigificWriter posted. It goes around.

Or, they just weren't that interesting or entertaining.

..or, the films in question (e.g., The Incredible Hulk or Captain America: The First Avenger) were superior for many reasons--including not following what some see as the assembly line approach, which some viewers will not consider.

 

[JD]

I was going to respond, but this is the DC thread, and we already have a DCEU vs MCU thread, so if we want to continue this conversation we should probably move it over there and just focus on the DC movies here.

 

[crookeddy]

I was going to respond, but this is the DC thread, and we already have a DCEU vs MCU thread, so if we want to continue this conversation we should probably move it over there and just focus on the DC movies here.

You might as well just respond, because the usual suspects will keep that conversation going regardless.