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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Well, they needed a reason for the heroes to all be fighting each other, and I thought what we got in the Injustice was a lot more interesting that just doing a brain washing story or something like that. By splitting the heroes and villains down the middle the way they did, it gave us some pretty interesting conflicts for everybody.
 
Personally I don't see the appeal of making Superman evil or dark. What makes him a compelling character to me is that he has the strength to resist the temptation that comes with his power. People say villains are more interesting than heroes, but I think villains are simpler because they just succumb to their temptations and flaws, while heroes are more complex because they resist those temptations and flaws. Superman's power is so vast that his restraint and self-discipline have to be equally vast, and I find that tension compelling. Some of the best explorations of Superman's psyche are about that need to maintain control -- the "World of Cardboard" speech in Justice League Unlimited, the "Mine Games" episode of Superboy where he revealed his greatest wish was to be normal and have "the freedom to compromise," this week's Superman & Lois episode where he talked to his son about how the people's trust in him is tested every time he uses his powers. What makes Superman so admirable and fascinating is that he wages that battle every day and wins it -- because he has to win it, since the alternative is unthinkable. He's Atlas carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders, except the force he's holding in check is his own.

So stories where Superman fails in that control and just starts killing people... to me, those take away the thing that makes him Superman, that makes him compelling.
For me it is all in execution. I don't usually like villains and I hate how people lionize them in pop culture (Joker, Vader, etc.). But, Injustice was something that I found endlessly fascinating is what happens when he loses that battle. I completely understand what you're saying regarding the internal struggle-I just also am fascinated by consequences, both positive and negative.

Injustice would not have been as interesting if it hadn't been done well. But, I think it is done well so it engages me, for the most part.
 
The Injustice comics actually got me more interested in comics after a long hiatus because of how convoluted things had become. Injustice gave me a new point to grab on to because it was a different series of events. Superman going "evil" was a further exploration of the theme of responsibility in the use of power.

Superman didn't just go evil because Lois died. He went evil because the Joker puts Scarecrow's fear toxin in to him laced with Kryptonite. Superman thinks Lois is Doomsday and ends up killing her. Her death also triggers a bomb to detonate and destroys Metropolis.

The story is layered and nuanced and interesting.
I know. Still not a fan of it.
 
The premiere dates for neither show has been announced. The article on DC's own website states:

"You’ll have to stay tuned to learn when these two new sure-to-be-anticipated adventures will be making their debut, but it’s good to know that Superman and Batman’s animated legacies are still as strong as ever."
 
At least visually, judging by the promo art, it takes more from Bob Kane's early Batman comics (with a dash of Timm's TAS iconography, like the way he's holding the cape) than from the new movie:
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Caped Crusader is also a more classic pseudonym for Batman as opposed to the more modern Dark Knight.
It's almost as if Kevin Porter modeled for that. :techman:
 
Personally I don't see the appeal of making Superman evil or dark.
So stories where Superman fails in that control
In Batman: Endgame we saw something worse than a Justice Lord...Superman on Joker venom was about the most frightening thing I’ve seen in comics short of Immortal Hulk...but I don’t want to see that in this Superman series....which has such an innocent, cheery look to the drawings.

This should be about situations. No Darkseid here I hope.
 
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In Batman: Endgame we saw something worse than a Justice Lord...Superman on Joker venom was about the most frightening thing I’ve seen in comics short of Immortal Hulk...but I don’t want to see that in this Superman series....which has such an innocent, cheery look to the drawings.

I'm just not interested in Superman being frightening. As a bullied child, I was routinely afraid of people stronger than me. That's far too familiar a feeling. What made Superman meaningful to me, then and now, was that he was stronger than any of us but we never had to fear him. So I'm not one of those people who thinks he needs to be darker and edgier to be interesting.
 
Yeah, what makes things like Injustice work for me, is that it's a alternate take on Superman, separate from the regular version. I don't think something like that would work as the regular version, but for a limited, alternate universe version it does.
It's also worth keeping in mind that we do also get the traditional version of Superman in the first game, which is about the traditional versions of the characters getting pulled into the Injustice universe to help it's Batman and his allies fight their Superman and his allies.
 
Yeah, what makes things like Injustice work for me, is that it's a alternate take on Superman, separate from the regular version. I don't think something like that would work as the regular version, but for a limited, alternate universe version it does.

Except haven't they continued to do more stuff set in that universe? Makes it less limited.
 
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