But they exist, which automatically disproves Dent's argument.
There's also Africanus, Fabius, James K Polk, Ulysses Grant, Juan Carlos I of Spain, Lopez Contreras...
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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But they exist, which automatically disproves Dent's argument.
There's also Africanus, Fabius, James K Polk, Ulysses Grant, Juan Carlos I of Spain, Lopez Contreras...
You really need to look on the dark side of life.
I'll take this over a lot of Marvel or DC stuff.Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when the only superheroes kids of the future give a crap about are Ladybug and Chat Noir and all this Marvel vs DC dick-measuring shit is finally over.
Nolan really needs to realize that the philosophies he espouses aren't absolute and infallible.
It's the same with Alfred's speech about the Burmese Bandit. He says it like it's an absolute certainty that the Bandit was just some random guy screwing with them just for the Hell of it. It never occurred to him that the Bandit had 100% logical reasons for his actions, like wanting to prevent the English from forming proper relations with the natives. Instead he thinks it's a perfect example of some random nihilistic schmuck.
Like I said, not my fault Nolan thought those stories couldn't be challenged.
A good story is one that can be challenged, discussed and engaged. The fact that we are still discussing it is a good sign, not a bad one.
Then why am I the only one pointing out that Dent and Alfred's stories are full of holes while everyone else thinks they were making statements that can't be challenged?
Look at Kai, he thinks they're infallible statements.
Doe he?
I can't speak for Kai or anyone else. I think that they can be challenged but within in the context of the story each individual's arguments are failiable, to one degree or another. But, Alfred and Dent bear out within the story far more than the Joker's ultimately does.
Bad stories can be discussed and engaged too. People have talked and written extensively about the worst movies, shows, etc. ever made. It's the mediocre stuff that there's nothing to say about.
That wasn't my point but fair enough.
I've decided that it's not worth actually debating Anwar. I mean, just look at how totally misconstrued my views are in the statement above. Either Anwar does not understand my statements, or willfully misunderstands them. Either way, the ridiculousness of Anwar's projections are obvious when simply drawn attention to, and memes are way more effective to do so than lengthy argumentation.
No, he does not. For the sake of all others around, I don't believe The Dark Knight to be an attempt at a final statement in regards to any philosophy. Few works of art try anything of the sort, and even less are successful. Dent, Alfred, the Joker, Gordon, and Batman, all have their own philosophies which sometimes even contradict each other, so the idea that the movie didn't challenge any of them is beyond ridiculous to me.
Look, before me did any of you run into anyone who pointed out the very obvious contradictions and flaws in Dent and Alfreds' statements?
If they were out to challenge those stories and ideas, they would've immediately had Bruce point out the holes in Alfreds' story and have Bruce or Rachel mention all the historic figures who lived whole lives without becoming villains.
The movie has been out for a while so yes...
I think you're probably still a good decade or so away from that. If then. Right now the WB has to prove they finally have a handle on their universe to the audience's satisfaction and MS has to prove their universe can survive the end of an era and the loss of some of its biggest stars. Not to mention how the WB has barely scratched the surface on the potential of their own material and the MCU just got a massive influx of new material to use from Fox.
There's also the problem of Disney/Marvel being rather reluctant of working with other companies. I don't think they have been doing any crossover with another company since the JLA/Avengers crossover in the early 00s. DC is more open and active in that regard. Disney/Marvel does licence their content to other publishers, but not for crossovers, just reprint or all-ages original content.
And that's for the comics. With the movies and TV shows, they appear even more confrontational. Rumors have it that the big stars of the MCU are contractually prohibited from appearing in DC movies (though actors in supporting roles have been known to appear in both companies' movies). And Kevin Smith has told of a talk he had with Joe Quesada about Smith directing an episode of "Daredevil", and apparently Quesada shot him down due to Smith occasionally directing episodes of "Supergirl" and "The Flash".
And that's for the comics. With the movies and TV shows, they appear even more confrontational. Rumors have it that the big stars of the MCU are contractually prohibited from appearing in DC movies (though actors in supporting roles have been known to appear in both companies' movies). And Kevin Smith has told of a talk he had with Joe Quesada about Smith directing an episode of "Daredevil", and apparently Quesada shot him down due to Smith occasionally directing episodes of "Supergirl" and "The Flash".
The movie has been out for a while so yes...
For most of that time, all I saw were people who acted like their statements were unassailable.
It's right up there with how everyone seems to think that Kylo Ren saying "Kill the past" is some big message when it's just what HE thinks.