DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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So, dodge, is it your perception the "incessant complaining" is just some random-ass, arbitrary thing, rather than a reaction directly linked to the quality of the recent Superman films and their creative choices?
Put another way, is negativity an inappropriate response to stuff that sucks?
Put another way, is negativity an inappropriate response to stuff that sucks?
It seems inappropriate to the people that like the stuff being bitched about.
I for one really liked BvS (but only the extended cut) and wanted to see where that universe was going to take us. I also enjoy Marvel, so I will take DC Marvel lite, but it's far less interesting to me.
If you think saying a movie is worse than Hitler is some sort of measured response, well who am I to argue...
It also helps to embrace the character and the reasons people love him, instead of burying him in a bunch of shallow deconstructionist posturing.
So you want all Superman movies to be the same? Any alterations to the character to explore alternate takes are not allowed?
Not when the suits are saying: "Hey we want to take these characters directly from the comics and portray them that way on film."
If you want to have a DCEU faithful to the comic versions - you have to stick with said character depictions in the comics. (Their personalities and motivations). Making Superman 'darker' like batman (because hey, Nolan's Batman films made BIG BOX OFFICE) ain't going to appeal to general and long time fans of the character, whose butts you want to get in theater seats to see a film about said character.
Establish the base character in your Universe first - and THEN after that, if you want to take him a different direction, explore away - but don't make your first entry film about the character have fans question - Was that REALLY 'our' Superman.
Cool, which one of the 1000 different versions shall they go with?
The one that's selling a shitload of comic books.
Whats pissing me off is around the time Action #1000 came out DC were going on and on about wanting to make Superman the number 1 hero again and all that, but they've no plans for a Superman film for the next few years? WTF? They finally get Superman right in Justice League, we even get hints of the John Williams theme and they do this? Then of course there's this inconsistency with using characters, they've got Supergirl & Flash TV shows and are developing films featuring those characters, but those same shows and the other shows in their continuity can't use Deathstroke and Suicide Squad because they may show up again on the big screen 
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I don't everyone is WANTING to down the movies...it's just that we have been let down mightily a couple of times.
So with Superman Returns...i was REALLY looking forward to it -- Bryan SInger did a great job with X-Men and I had confidence it would be great....but it was only "meh". Not horrible to me -- but not great.
And then with MoS... to me, they sabotaged some GOOD character building scenes, and making CLark a wanderer for a while was kinda lame...it never built up Superman as a SUperhero the way, say, Captain AMerica did.
A quick montage of heroism would have been plenty..and Martha not turning into a "get off my about to be forclosed lawn" bitter soul
I've been reading this stuff online for years.
Yeah, it is pretty much that.
Fans go to these movies with a sense of entitlement and very, very specific - not high, just specific - expectations that they call "standards."
Hilarity ensues.
Okay, not so much hilarity as tedious whinging online.
There is no Superman project. Cavill passed on a cameo in a movie DC's releasing soon. If and when there's a Superman project, WB and Cavill's representatives will negotiate.
Really, at this point the whole kerfluffle looks like someone with an interest in whatever talks went on about Shazam just leaked what they hoped would be a ciick-worthy casting rumor in the hopes that the web would go nuts and that some party to the negotiations would feel some pressure.
Meh.
No, I'm disagreeing with your premise, because you're treating two distinct issues as the same. There is a difference between whether they keep making Superman films and whether they keep Henry Cavill as Superman. Those are two entirely different questions, as Val Kilmer, George Clooney, Don Cheadle, Mark Ruffalo, and others can attest. It's paradoxical to acknowledge that fans have praised Cavill while simultaneously claiming that their criticisms of other aspects of the movies are the reason Cavill was fired. Logically, anyone who was making decisions based on fan reactions would want to keep Cavill, not fire him, because he's the one thing about the Superman movies that the fanbase unequivocally likes. So your argument is the one that contradicts itself.
Cavill is ok. I really don't think if he had THE best screenplay and director imaginable he'd be that much better as Clark Kent/Superman. But his fans/supporters will disagree. I just find him a bit stiff and limited in everything he does, acting and especially press junkets which are the one place you can imagine the actor/persona can cut loose a little. I suspect WB may have got this in feedback, though I have NO evidence 
. Good b.o. numbers - but do people really like him? Or just shrug shoulders and say he'll do until something better comes along. TLDR: Stiff sort of likeable and committed, but meh.
. Good b.o. numbers - but do people really like him? Or just shrug shoulders and say he'll do until something better comes along. TLDR: Stiff sort of likeable and committed, but meh.
It's not that changes aren't allowed -- I'm on record many times as saying the decision to have Lois in on Clark's secret from the get-go was a great choice, even though it flies in the face of most of the characters' history and tradition. But not all changes are created equal, and a miserable, angst-ridden Superman drowning in a grimdark morass is not the way to go.
Uhm, no. Let me put it as plainly as possible:
1. For years, some people have been incessantly and vitriolically complaining about Superman
2. Those same people are now shocked and outraged that WB is reluctant to make another Superman movie.
To me, this is just absurd. Your mileage may vary.
This kind of goes along with what I've said in the past, there's nothing wrong with exploring a darker Superman, but where the people behind WoDC made a mistake was making the darker version their main one. I think it's the kind of thing that would work better in standalone movies, with the shared universe version being closer to how the character is usually portrayed in the comics.
Are you even reading the posts? This conversation is not about people being "shocked and outraged that WB is reluctant to make another Superman movie." I don't know where you're getting that. This conversation is about people being sad and disappointed that Henry Cavill is leaving the role of Superman, and speculating about who might potentially replace him in the role of Superman in the next movie.