Look at Cavills Instagram post. Jordan confirmed.Michael b Jordon? It’s not April Fools.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Could be just messing with people.
Seems rather young to play Irons.
He was amazing in Creed. He’d be great in anything.
Robert DeNiro is a great actor. Why not have HIM play Superman? Or Meryl Streep?
Tom Hanks as Superman?
Why not? As long as they are making stupid decisions and miscasting the role, might as well go all in
Tom Hanks as Superman?
Why not? As long as they are making stupid decisions and miscasting the role, might as well go all in
And THIS is why i call it the DC Film Universe....
I think this might be exaggerated stuff..at least about Cavill. It would be a waste of a good cast (including Cavill). I think things might change after Shazam & Wonder WOman
With Affleck -- didn't he have a serious problem with alcoholism he was addressing - that is why he stepped down as director?
This whole thing is a mess...they gave creative control to the wrong person (Snyder -- Geoff Johns seemed to have ben ignored).
Regarding Wonder Woman ignoring (or retconning) what was in B v S ... Geoff Johns had a heavy hand in WW, so if he still has some input, i would go with that flow.
I think this might be exaggerated stuff..at least about Cavill. It would be a waste of a good cast (including Cavill). I think things might change after Shazam & Wonder WOman
With Affleck -- didn't he have a serious problem with alcoholism he was addressing - that is why he stepped down as director?
This whole thing is a mess...they gave creative control to the wrong person (Snyder -- Geoff Johns seemed to have ben ignored).
Regarding Wonder Woman ignoring (or retconning) what was in B v S ... Geoff Johns had a heavy hand in WW, so if he still has some input, i would go with that flow.
If Cavill thinks he can get a big pay raise and more creative control along with a Superman sequel. He won't. Especially not after Justice League flopped.
Studios reward actors who give them successful movies, not movies that lose money.
His Superman has never been that well liked.
WB can sit back do nothing with the Superman character for the next 10 years if they want.
WB can do what they did with Brandon Routh, basically sit back and do nothing until they are ready to announce a new Superman movie with new actor playing Superman. WB waited 3 years for Roth's contract to expire instead of firing him.
They are basically doing the same thing with Affleck and Batman right now.
Studios reward actors who give them successful movies, not movies that lose money.
His Superman has never been that well liked.
WB can sit back do nothing with the Superman character for the next 10 years if they want.
WB can do what they did with Brandon Routh, basically sit back and do nothing until they are ready to announce a new Superman movie with new actor playing Superman. WB waited 3 years for Roth's contract to expire instead of firing him.
They are basically doing the same thing with Affleck and Batman right now.
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The company/studio has been making stupid decisions since forever.
Tim Allen as Brainiac?
Justin Timberlake as Jimmy Olsen?
Nicholas Cage as Superman?
The list goes on.
In the 90's they wanted to radically change how Superman was portrayed in the movies. Then Bryan Singer comes along and they all follow him and say "Oh those ideas in the 90's didn't have the heart Superman needed"
BTW that's a real quote from Joel Silver from the 2006 Superman documentary "Up Up Away".
Then Singer's vision didn't work. So they do a complete 180 with Snyder's Superman.
-More punching. More action. More spectacle
It's a damn miracle that the 1978 Superman movie is actually decent and iconic.
Long story short. In the past 40 years the movie studios haven't figured out how to do a Superman movie properly.
Action, Heartwarming moments, Amazing Spectacle. Stellar Acting.
I have no problems with a non-white Superman. I just don't really see Michael B. Jordan as fitting Clark Kent/Superman. I think he'd make a very good Bruce Wayne/Batman though.
I'd see Daniel Kaluuya as a great Superman/Clark Kent if they went the non-white route... but I don't know that his physical stature is enough since he's at best around 5'10 and I think every big screen Superman has been over 6 foot.
I'd see Daniel Kaluuya as a great Superman/Clark Kent if they went the non-white route... but I don't know that his physical stature is enough since he's at best around 5'10 and I think every big screen Superman has been over 6 foot.
Arguably we've already had one with the 1/4-Japanese Dean Cain, although he doesn't choose to identify as biracial due to not being raised in contact with that side of his heritage.
I've never had a problem with Cavill as the character. It's not his fault they gave him shitty scripts to work with. Plus, he wants to be a working actor, so it's not his fault WB can't work with him on scheduling a cameo for Shazzam.
As for Afleck; his Batman was fine. As to why WB dropped him, it was mentioned because of him going back into rehab - and the issues leading to that, any Film Bond company would charge a mint to insure a picture with him in it - and with WB trying to maximize profits and ROI, it's now an extra cost they don't want to deal with going forward.
Cavill is pretty good at adapting himself to his roles. Although it's interesting how he tends to remind me of other actors. When he was playing Napoleon Solo in The Man from U.N.C.L.E., even though his performance was very much an homage to Robert Vaughn (without being a direct imitation), I found he reminded me of Matt Bomer in White Collar (which is fitting, since Bomer was considered for Superman at one point and did voice the role in an animated movie). And when I saw Cavill in Mission: Impossible -- Fallout last week, I found that the big, no-nonsense, cool and matter-of-fact killer he played reminded me of one or two roles I've seen Adam Baldwin play. (Baldwin has also voiced Superman in an animated movie.)
I love how people who have been relentlessly negative about the DCEU and his Superman all over these forums for five friggin' years are now suddenly like "Well where on Earth did WB get the idea to replace him?"
As some of us have already said, our problem was never with Cavill himself, only with how Superman was written and handled. He was potentially a great Superman but was never really given the chance to be one. So there is no contradiction there at all.
The contradiction comes from expecting him to be "given a chance" when the extremely hostile and toxic environment created around his Superman is anything but conductive to convincing the suits that this is what they should be doing.
You're not hearing me. It's not "his Superman" that we object to, because that phrasing implies that we think he's to blame for the problems. That's missing the point. Cavill is the part that worked. His Superman -- his performance in the role -- was excellent (except in BvS, where he had no actual character to play). It's everyone else's treatment of Superman that we have a problem with -- the plotting, the writing, the directing, the CGI mustache-erasing, etc. If the suits think we've been blaming Cavill, then they're the ones who aren't listening, or are too prideful to accept that they're the ones to blame.
You can count me in as one of the "we" who doesn't blame Cavill...though i would say we DID see glimpses of the Superman we want...
And yeah -- i am VERY sure the suits are too prideful...they won't lose much in this mess, and can fade away any time they want.
But that's just sad for the rest of us...
No, you're not hearing me. Pretty much everyone agrees that Cavill is great for the part. The people who love the movies, the people who hate the movies, and the suits. However the constant incessant complaining that has been going on for years has created an atmosphere in which making any Superman film is an uphill battle against loud and angry people who are just waiting for any opportunity to tear it apart and yell "Aha, see! The'y re fucking it up again! DC sucks!" Just like some people in this thread are currently doing...