DC Comics: Rebirth

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  1. Hound of UIster

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    It's the one property that Hickman wants to write for though I think DC is still debating who to put on there.
     
  2. Nerys Myk

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    I can't see the JSA as the right fit.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    The Justice Society needs to be put back into the 1940s.

    The modern day redundant overlap with the league is silly.

    ...Even if you have to kick them to Earth 2 to justify a 1940s Superman.
     
  4. Phoenix219

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    Having them on a contemporary Earth that happens to have a 1940s aesthetic could work alright too, but an Earth that happens to be currently in its 1940s works just as well. It could be quite useful and funny in terms of comparing and contrasting for the sake of commentary.
     
  5. Ovation

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    At this point, I don’t really much care who brings them back—I just want them back.
     
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  6. kirk55555

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    The single best use of the JSA in my opinion is in Geoff Johns excellent, spectacular JSA and Justice Society of America runs. Easily his best work, and one of my favorite DC comics runs ever (I basically just count it as one run from JSA #1 until he left Justice Society of America). The second best is Paul Levitz All Star Comics run in the 70s. Really, the one period I don't feel the JSAshould be used regularly is in WW2. A story now and then, but they shouldn't set an ongoing in the era (or on a second Earth, although parts of the New 52 Earth 2 stuff was tolerable and I liked the pre-Crisis post WW2 stuff). Ideally they should be a legacy team from thatstarted in the WW2 era, but their best stuff is them as a team filled with the old guard and some younger heroes in the present day.

    They work fine overlapping with the Justice League. Kind of like how the MCU can have a bunch of hero teams all at once. the JSA is so different from the JLA that its honestly like saying that the Defenders shouldn't overlap with the Avengers. A bit ridiculous, in my opinion.
     
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  7. theenglish

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    I think that Rebirth is actually creating a new aesthetic that combines pre and post original crisis. I don't have much to base this on other than the Titans being a version of the original 70s team and Johnny Thunder being an old man, but I think we ARE going to see a 1940s JSA in our main world.
     
  8. Allyn Gibson

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    I loved the pre-Zero Hour Justice Society of America series by Len Strazewski and Mike Parobeck, featuring the JSA right after they returned from limbo. The 1991 mini-series, set in the 1950s, with Strazewski, Parobeck, Grant Miehm, and Tom Lyle was pretty good, too.
     
  9. kirk55555

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    Yeah, the mini set in the 50s and the 91 mini were both pretty good. Its not like there aren't good olden time JSA stories (and I personally love the All Star Squadron series by Roy thomas), I just think that the best JSA stuff is the stuff set in the present.
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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    I always forget that the All Star Squadron isn't the JSA... Because why the #### wasn't it?
     
  11. theenglish

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    The JSA was part of the All Star Squadron. I believe the idea was that ASS (unfortunate acronym) was meant to encompass any characters from the WWII era that DC had the rights to use.
     
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  12. Nerys Myk

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    ASQ.
    Yeah, the Squadron was the "umbrella" organization for all the American Mystery Men back in WWII. it was formed when most the JSA disappeared just before Pearl Harbor
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    Blinded by my youth, did I not notice how shite Young All Stars was?

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  14. Mike Farley

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    I tried to read the first few issues when they showed up on Comixology a while back. Not very good.
     
  15. Allyn Gibson

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    The Earth-2 fallout from Crisis on Infinite Earths wasn't pretty, and my hunch has always been that Roy Thomas' heart just wasn't in it anymore after Crisis nuked his continuity and characters in the All-Star era and the Infinity, Inc. era.
     
  16. JD

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    Does Hickman still write corporate comics? I thought he was pretty much just doing creator owned stuff at Image, like East of West.
     
  17. Nerys Myk

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    I liked it. The analogs for Superman, Batman and WW were pretty clever. But Allyn is right that Crisis really screwed over Earth 2 and Roy lost something with the doppelgangers gone.
     
  18. theenglish

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    It was the loss of Earth 2's history that made me want to stop reading DC. For the most part I did, for twenty years.
     
  19. Hound of UIster

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    Nothing of value was lost. Roy Thomas was already close to been tapped out by then. His later work back at Marvel like Invaders was probably even worse.
     
  20. kirk55555

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    I thought the Invaders was very good. Really, all of Roy Thomas's WW2 era books were generally fantastic (outside of post-Crisis DC I guess). He's easily one of my favorite older era comic writers. I'd say that of the writers of his era its basically him and Paul Levitz who are my favorites (I consider his "era" being mid to late 60s until late 80s). All his stuff that I've read was atleast good. He also was probably the first good X-Men writer (Stan Lee's X-Men stuff really isn't all that good, and Thomas continued from Lee's initial run with a decent if not spectacular run). I definitely don't think he ran out of gas in general, even if CoIE did hit him pretty hard.

    That said, as much as I love All Star Squadron, I still prefer the JSA characters to be on the main Earth and in the present day (plus most of AS Squadron worked after the reboot, since Batman/SM/WW almost never showed up).