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Not necessarily, since they aren't specifying which story comes first.
I prefer the system they used to have in the 1950s - I remember reading a letter's page where a reader asks "how come the Atlantis that Lori Lemaris is from isn't the same as the one Aquaman is from?
and the response of the editor is:
I've never read any comics with Aquaman.
and the response of the editor is:
I've never read any comics with Aquaman.
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Last week's issue of Superrnan references both the Darkseid War and JLA as having happened on the recent past.
For me, Justice League's "Darkseid War" must come before Batman's "Endgame." There are probably good reasons why that's wrong.
For me, Justice League's "Darkseid War" must come before Batman's "Endgame." There are probably good reasons why that's wrong.
In GL continuity, it also has to come before the end of Johns run on that series or shortly after. In Wonder Woman it is after she became the god of war. Aquaman doesn't seem to be present, which means that Johns might have realized he is still supposed to be in a coma/suspended animation at that point in time.
Oa was destroyed only a few months after that--so either this takes place after the current GL run when OA and the guardians are restored or it takes place when the "new" guardians were briefly in charge.
CBR said:
CBR| "DC Universe: Rebirth" One-Shot to Feature One Death, At Least Three Returns
Also:
CBR| Superwoman's Secret Identity, Arch-Enemy Revealed (Spoilers, duh!)
Let the speculations begin!
That reads almost identical to current Thor.
The details must be different, but they could have written the synopsis with that in mind, at least. It's not like they don't know.
The details must be different, but they could have written the synopsis with that in mind, at least. It's not like they don't know.
interesting. So that's at least two people in the DCU who are going to be imbued with Superman's powers.
... I guess it's safe to presume this is the New 52 Lois Lane, not the pre-Flashpoint one still married to Superman.
I guess this is a nice idea, given that there are now two Lois Lanes in that universe.
I can see DC using the "the powers are killing her slowly" thing to eventually get rid of her after the book had its fun, in order to make pre-Flashpoint Lois the only one again, returning to some semblance of the status quo.
If the book is a hit, though, they might also come up with a cure.
I guess this is a nice idea, given that there are now two Lois Lanes in that universe.
I can see DC using the "the powers are killing her slowly" thing to eventually get rid of her after the book had its fun, in order to make pre-Flashpoint Lois the only one again, returning to some semblance of the status quo.
If the book is a hit, though, they might also come up with a cure.
Anyway, Jimenez is great, and I'm sure to check it out.
Rebirth should have been called "We can admit that we were wrong"?
I just read Wonder Woman Earth One, which came out a few days ago, and it was...weird. I knew the premise going in. Grant Morrison was going to write WW based on the ideas of her creator, with bondage type stuff and a focus on, well, I guess you'd call it woman power (I'm hesitant to call it feminism because of how poorly it was done at times in this book, and how nasty the Amazons were).
Was it any good? Honestly, its hard to come to a decision. It had good elements, but it also had a good deal of bad or just way to weird stuff. The Amazon's were bad. I can see what Morrison was going for. He went full force with the "loving authority" bondage stuff, and didn't shy away from the fact that the woman had relationships with each other. That was fine. I mean, the bondage wouldn't fit with the more mainstream Amazons, but I don't think the relationship stuff was anything people didn't already assume.
The problem was they were very nasty and judgemental once they started interacting with women from "Man's World". They almost seemed to insult and belittle Beth (instead of Etta) Candy for being overweight more then they complained about Men. I mean they were disgusted just because she was overweight, and it really didn't feel like that's how they should have been acting. Outside of her weight, what we got from beth Candy was a fairly strong woman who felt like someone these Amazon's should like if they were written in a way that felt more natural for the situation. They also had Hipployta do a little rant about how men were just genetically inferior/incomplete women, which was a bit eye rolling.
Its hard to explain since I'm not even remotely equipped to go into issues like this, but the Amazons felt like they were just there to be mean and then taught a lesson by Diana, and it didn't come off well when it mixed with how Morrison was trying to portray them using WW's creator's original philosophy. As for that philosophy, its brought up and involved with stuff, but honestly isn't a big deal. Diana didn't do much she wouldn't do in other stories, except be into bondage and talk about submitting sometimes. I don't know a lot about him, but I don't think William Moulton Marston would have written the Amazon's like Morrison writes them, if he'd been allowed to write them however he wanted. Diana was better, but a lot of generic dismissive talk and comments about men. I'm not saying this as someone who was insulting or anything, it just came off as bad writing and wasn't very interesting.
As for the rest of the story
If this wasn't a graphic novel, it wouldn't have enough stuff going on for, say, a four mini series, even though it is longer than one. It wasn't bad, but it needed more happening, and some tweaks to the Amazons. I'm not someone who thinks the modern Wonder Woman needs any of the weirder parts of Marston's philosophy, I think the character has grown past that, but even ignoring that I don't think morrison really accomplished what he seemed to want to do.
TL;DR - Wonder Woman Earth One isn't terrible, but it doesn't feel like it really succeeded in making a story that fit Wonder Woman's creator's ideas, it was very decompressed and the Amazon's came off as being more nasty then they probably should have been.
Was it any good? Honestly, its hard to come to a decision. It had good elements, but it also had a good deal of bad or just way to weird stuff. The Amazon's were bad. I can see what Morrison was going for. He went full force with the "loving authority" bondage stuff, and didn't shy away from the fact that the woman had relationships with each other. That was fine. I mean, the bondage wouldn't fit with the more mainstream Amazons, but I don't think the relationship stuff was anything people didn't already assume.
The problem was they were very nasty and judgemental once they started interacting with women from "Man's World". They almost seemed to insult and belittle Beth (instead of Etta) Candy for being overweight more then they complained about Men. I mean they were disgusted just because she was overweight, and it really didn't feel like that's how they should have been acting. Outside of her weight, what we got from beth Candy was a fairly strong woman who felt like someone these Amazon's should like if they were written in a way that felt more natural for the situation. They also had Hipployta do a little rant about how men were just genetically inferior/incomplete women, which was a bit eye rolling.
Its hard to explain since I'm not even remotely equipped to go into issues like this, but the Amazons felt like they were just there to be mean and then taught a lesson by Diana, and it didn't come off well when it mixed with how Morrison was trying to portray them using WW's creator's original philosophy. As for that philosophy, its brought up and involved with stuff, but honestly isn't a big deal. Diana didn't do much she wouldn't do in other stories, except be into bondage and talk about submitting sometimes. I don't know a lot about him, but I don't think William Moulton Marston would have written the Amazon's like Morrison writes them, if he'd been allowed to write them however he wanted. Diana was better, but a lot of generic dismissive talk and comments about men. I'm not saying this as someone who was insulting or anything, it just came off as bad writing and wasn't very interesting.
As for the rest of the story
, it felt decompressed. When you get down to it, not a lot happens. As an origin story and introduction to the Earth One Wonder Woman it establishes stuff, but then doesn't really do anything with it. We see a brief origin of the Amazons, then we go to Diana. She is dissatisfied with her life on the island, has 3 or 4 conversations with her mother voicing her displeasure over the course of the story (both before and after she leaves the island), meets Steve Trevor (who's ok, but we don't get much from a character standpoint), rescues him twice (the second time being the only real fight in the comic that isn't sparring or a competition with other Amazons), meets Beth Candy (who's a decent character), gets captured by Amazons because she saved Steve and left the island, and has a trial (the trial is the framing story of the comic), and ends up learning a secret about her birth and basically gets permission to leave Paradise Island and do stuff in Man's World.
If this wasn't a graphic novel, it wouldn't have enough stuff going on for, say, a four mini series, even though it is longer than one. It wasn't bad, but it needed more happening, and some tweaks to the Amazons. I'm not someone who thinks the modern Wonder Woman needs any of the weirder parts of Marston's philosophy, I think the character has grown past that, but even ignoring that I don't think morrison really accomplished what he seemed to want to do.
TL;DR - Wonder Woman Earth One isn't terrible, but it doesn't feel like it really succeeded in making a story that fit Wonder Woman's creator's ideas, it was very decompressed and the Amazon's came off as being more nasty then they probably should have been.
Yeah, also read it today, and I largely agree.
There's stuff that I like, but not as much as I thought I would, and some things I really did not like, but which didn't bother me as much (probably because it's still better than the New 52 version).
... that it was not a violent comic book, it was not a depressing story, it was actually rather idealistic and pacifist. I liked the Amazons actually having advanced scifi technology instead of just being stuck on the same scientific level as ancient Greece. I liked that Steve Trevor was black, and it was actually for a relevant reason in the story. I like that the Amazons have sex and romance with each other without there being a fuzz about it. I liked the book's version of Etta (Beth) Candy very, very much.
There's no real villain in the book, which is weird. The closest to a villain, an antagonist, there is, well, it's Hippolyta. It's pretty much the story of Diana rebelling against the stagnant and isolationist stance of the Amazons. This, basically, I like.
What I don't like is a total lack of presence of the Greek pantheon. Well, one of them (was it Hera? Too lazy to go and check) speaks to Hippolyta in the beginning, but only as a voice in her head.
What I really don't like is that, again, the created-out-of-clay origin is revealed to be a lie, a fairy tale Hippolyta told Diana to shield her from the truth. That truth turned out better than in the New 52, but it was far from ideal.
There's no real villain in the book, which is weird. The closest to a villain, an antagonist, there is, well, it's Hippolyta. It's pretty much the story of Diana rebelling against the stagnant and isolationist stance of the Amazons. This, basically, I like.
What I don't like is a total lack of presence of the Greek pantheon. Well, one of them (was it Hera? Too lazy to go and check) speaks to Hippolyta in the beginning, but only as a voice in her head.
What I really don't like is that, again, the created-out-of-clay origin is revealed to be a lie, a fairy tale Hippolyta told Diana to shield her from the truth. That truth turned out better than in the New 52, but it was far from ideal.
All in all, this felt kinda meh to me. Maybe it's because I'm currently reading George Perez WW run, as well as the current "Legend of Wonder Woman" miniseries, both of which I absolutely love, and to which this book just pales in comparison to.
There wasn't much, outside of the art, of this book that i liked. There were neat bits and pieces of ideas here and there, but it didn't add up to much.
George Perez did it way better 30 years ago.
It does make me wish we had gotten to see Adam Hughes' ALL-STAR WONDER WOMAN.
George Perez did it way better 30 years ago.
It does make me wish we had gotten to see Adam Hughes' ALL-STAR WONDER WOMAN.
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