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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

Including me, I know of atleast five live long Batman fans that love Batfleck. You're doing that silly thing again you always do; thinking your opinion is fact.
Because I also know atleast five Batman fans that didn't like Batfleck. So, yeah... Although I am willing to admit your comment as an opinion, it's not a fact.

Also....

George Clooney.
It’s worth noting, as always, that qualitative comments about movies, TV shows, etc., are always inherently subjective, so gently qualifying each and every one with “just my opinion” is pointless. I don’t take Mudd’s statements as asserting “fact” any more than I do anybody else opining arrogantly about their personal tastes. :p

And in that spirit, I’ll just say without softening or apology that Snyder’s take on Superman fucking sucks, with its only major saving grace being Amy Adams’s splendid Lois Lane. Also that Superman ‘78 remains a deathless classic for the ages, with precisely zero flaws of any consequence.
 
The beautiful thing about superheroes is that if I don't like an interpretation invariably a new one shows up.

Batman will always be Adam West to me, and Superman Christopher Reeve. Doesn't make others lesser; just not my preferences. I can ignore others as I will.
 
He was also very inexperienced and untrained compared to most other versions of Superman. That played into the choices he made.

Indeed. In the Donner movie, he had been training and learning for 12 years before he donned the cape. That wasn't part of the Snyder version of the character.
Which, ofcourse, will bring out the 'that means it's the wrong version of the character' crowd. Which is bullshit, because, again, there have been many reboots and versions of Superman in the comics.

The thing is.... he DID do some stuff, but as an undercover hero. For example, he did a version of the Super II Alaska diner scene, but Clark messed up the guys car rather than his body. And it seems like he was doing the TV Incredible Hulk thing of going from place to place, secretly doing good.... only it was his last act that got him a reporter following him ;)

And really, the "not being trained" aspect was silly. The Donner version made more sense, in that Clark living on earth over 25 years allowed him to get control of things...as a matter fact they did ONE scene where his mom trained him, like a therapist....THAT should have been revisited, as a strength of how Clark has control where a whole army of newcomers would NOT, and Clark can take advantage.

The other thing ... based on Clark's parents later reactions.... it definitely did NOT build into why Clark would have felt guilty about killing someone he just met (and was killing innocent humans). That "anguish" would have made sense for JOR-El, not KAL-El, as we would have had a sense that Zod and Jor-El were friends at one point, and there was a reason to feel bad.

I mean we had one scene where Clark restrained himself form hurting a bully.... but that wasn't enough to demonstrate an upbringing of showing mercy...in fact, Costner's next big scene (after a good "What kind of man do you want to be " scene), was about Clark HIDING his abilities, and really, NOT showing mercy when he could.

I would never say that Snyder's version of Superman was "wrong" per se, but it did not resonate with me in the slightest or convey how I felt the character should be portrayed. :shrug:

That said, I liked Henry Cavill and bemoan the fact that he was never given a decent script.

I don't think it was Cavill's portrayal that was the problem, but his set-up to become SUperman.

But you're right -- he was definitely a good fit for the role.
I watched it again the other week haven't not seen it in years - there are elements in here that I sort of like and some of the design is excellent but it leaves me cold overall.

All the actors are excellent with what they have to work with.


It’s worth noting, as always, that qualitative comments about movies, TV shows, etc., are always inherently subjective, so gently qualifying each and every one with “just my opinion” is pointless. I don’t take Mudd’s statements as asserting “fact” any more than I do anybody else opining arrogantly about their personal tastes. :p

And in that spirit, I’ll just say without softening or apology that Snyder’s take on Superman fucking sucks, with its only major saving grace being Amy Adams’s splendid Lois Lane. Also that Superman ‘78 remains a deathless classic for the ages, with precisely zero flaws of any consequence.

I would agree, for sure that the actors in Man of Steel were actually really good. ANd especialy Amy Adams portrayed Lois and both a gentle caring person that would make sense that "classic" Superman would fall in love with (as opposed to gruff Lois of the 70's), but also a strong, smart and "aggressive" (meant in a good professional way) reporter worthy of winning a Pulitzer.

I was younger than 10 when I first saw this movie, but I read Superman in Action Comics at the time and even I knew Luthor was portrayed incorrectly (and understood that the Earth spinning in reverse was just a representation of Superman flying back in time.

I was like 5, and yeah, Hackman's Luthor felt like a used cars salesman....definitely NOT the world's leading criminal mind.. And i too saw the "spinning backward" as merely a visual metaphor for going back in time.
 
You're doing that silly thing again you always do; thinking your opinion is fact.
Nope.

There's nothing wrong with a declarative statement of opinion. We're not required to tug our forelocks as we offer one, or tack "IMHOs" onto our posts.

Nor am I concerned that you dislike the tone of my posts.

Clooney? Well, his Batman had some humor about him. As did Burton's. Snyder doesn't know what that is. His directorial stance is much like Mozart's mocking imitation of Salieri in Amadeus.

Not sure Schumacher was a much worse director than Snyder either. :lol:
 
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Nope.

There's nothing wrong with a declarative statement of opinion. We're not required to tug our forelocks as we offer one, or tack "IMHOs" onto our posts. :lol:
This is a generational thing. People in their twenties and younger speak like that, at least where I live. My kids and their friends qualify things they are about to say before making statements.
 
Including me, I know of atleast five live long Batman fans that love Batfleck. You're doing that silly thing again you always do; thinking your opinion is fact.
Because I also know atleast five Batman fans that didn't like Batfleck. So, yeah... Although I am willing to admit your comment as an opinion, it's not a fact.

Also....

George Clooney.
An additional, belated thought on this. You have been known to cross the opinion/fact line yourself. This is you from not long ago:
Holy fucking way to misread something.
The Snyder Clark/Superman seemed miserable because he was not able to help as many people as he wanted to. He was aware that, AS powerful as he is he can't help everyone all at once.

THAT is at the core of the Snyder-verse Superman. I am stunned none of you ever realized that.... It is fucking right there!
That goes beyond merely expressing an opinion. It pretty explicitly frames your subjective interpretation as fact, with anyone who disagrees with you simply being too imperceptive to “get it.”

FWIW, I’ve seen Man of Steel several times, and I don’t recall anything to denote his inability to help everyone as being the primary driver of his perpetual (and oh-so-tedious) sullen angst. In any case, it’s something that every version of Superman deals with, implicitly or explicitly, but it doesn’t turn any of the others into miserable mopes. There’s nothing to indicate the Snyder version of the character is uniquely burdened by it.

The theme is actually more explicitly central to Superman ‘78 (“All those powers, and I couldn’t even save him”), and in fact crucially informs the dramatic and emotional climax of the film — i.e., Clark will not accept his helplessness in the face of Lois’s death, and defies Jor-El’s greatest edict, and time itself, in order to save her.
 
As with Henry Cavill, I enjoyed the casting of Ben Affleck as Batman. Again, the issue was with the script.
Yet more subjectivity: I’m consistently puzzled by the widespread perception that Cavill was great casting, with all the deficiencies in his portrayal being due to Snyder. Yes, the man is very pretty and musclebound, but to me he was a black hole onscreen in terms of personality, charm, or humor.
 
As with Henry Cavill, I enjoyed the casting of Ben Affleck as Batman. Again, the issue was with the script.
That's fair...I didn't express an opinion of Affleck's performance.
Seriously - name a cinematic version of Batman as plodding and unimaginative and dull as Snyder's imitation of Miller's.
Snyder's Batman has the same essential shortcomings as his Superman or even Wonder Woman. It's a conceptual problem, not one of performance.

Affleck actually gets the best out of Whedon's rewrites. He can land a joke.

Cavill's okay as Superman - he looks the part - but he's a more limited actor. Closer to Gadot than Affleck.
 
In the two roles I've seen Cavill in outside of Superman, Napoleon Solo and Gus, he has a light touch and good sense of comedic timing.

Gal Gadot, on the other hand, I caught her in a movie this morning called 'Criminal', and she's stiff as a board.
 
In the two roles I've seen Cavill in outside of Superman, Napoleon Solo and Gus, he has a light touch and good sense of comedic timing.

Gal Gadot, on the other hand, I caught her in a movie this morning called 'Criminal', and she's stiff as a board.
U.N.C.L.E. was my favorite performance of his. But, as usual, he's rarely required to show any depth or emotional range.

He's been at it for a quarter century and has had plenty of exposure in major films. He has the physical attributes of a leading man and some charm. And yet he's never broken through.

He's not a guy who can open a film. Harrison Ford or Tom Cruise, he ain't.

Has anyone ever referred to one of the movies he's headlined as "that new Henry Cavill movie?"
 
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When it comes to Batman, I'm the same. I started getting into the Dutch translated comics we could get in the Netherlands after the Burton movies. As for Superman.... I know this is heresy for many, but I feel the Donner movies only really took the American Dream version of Superman. Heresy, I know.
Hope and optimism was at the very core of the Snyder MoS movie. Just not the 'my life is jolly because I can safe people' version of it.
To me, the 'dreary' part of Snyder's take on Superman was that he realized that despite everything he can do, he can never safe everyone. I can understand people saying there were other ways to stop Zod. I know that. But the concept was that Superman needed to realize that despite his near godlike powers, he can't safe everyone. And even though saving Zod was a priority, if the choice came between someone willing to kill others or saving innocent people, it would be the innocent.
Now, again.... yes ( and I know this part will be left out when the anti-Snyders quote me), he could have just grabbed Zod and fly away.
To where? Where could he put Zod that would stop him from killing others? Nowhere. In a split second, he realized that and knew that it was killing him or letting him go. Lesser of two evils.
My issue with the movie had nothing to do with that scene. I realize that was a problem for many, but not for me. He had no choice, I get it.

My issues had to do with many other things. I've never been a fan of the dark, washed out look that so many films were going for back then. I didn't care for the musical score. I didn't care for the new look of Krypton. I thought Clark standing there and letting his earth father die in a twister was a bad creative choice. I REALLY didn't like the "you're not my dad" that preceded it. It made Clark look like an ungrateful #$$hole so I had no sympathy for him after that. Superman is not a brooding character. That's Batman to me, not Superman. The 20 plus minute destruction of Metropolis and non stop punching bored me to tears. Seriously, I've never had an action sequence so bad that it had me looking at my watch wondering when it would end. The "lets show a 911 type destruction of a city" was already a cliche at that point. Watching two guys punch each other over and over with hardly any variety has to make it the most unimaginative fight sequence ever. That was an extreme over reaction to the criticism of Superman Returns. Plus the fact he's just throwing Zod everywhere with no regard to human life shows a complete lack of understanding of the character.

Basically, Snyder is not the kind of director I want in charge of a Superman movie and I'm glad the franchise has moved on without him.
 
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Hmm...my reaction to that one was "What's this thing on streaming with Cavill and that Reacher guy in it?"
 
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