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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

That's a non sequitur if ever I heard one. What does one have to do with the other? If anything, real life suggests that billionaires are often very stupid, or at least live in a bubble completely detached from everyday reality. (I loved the bit in the Harley Quinn animated series where Harley, having learned Batman's identity, suggested to Bruce that he could do more good with his riches by providing affordable housing, and he cluelessly asked, "People pay for housing?") Which is my point, that a superintelligent champion of justice is more believable if he's not a billionaire. Or at least if he were a self-made tech billionaire, say, rather than a hereditary one like Bruce.
Doesn't Bruce spend some time living in poorer areas during his training in a lot of versions?
It's less about the money than the impact on the Universe - anyone who thinks that the second film in a new Universe being the lowest grossing in modern DC history doesn't cause a rethink is high.

Partly because of exhibitor pressure - films that do $147 a screen per day on opening night do not pay the bills.
What exactly is your definition of "modern DC history"? I just checked Box Office Mojo and it's domestic opening day take is bigger than Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, and Shazam Fury of the Gods. It only lets you check individual days just one country at a time, so I'm not sure how the worldwide numbers compare.
 
Doesn't Bruce spend some time living in poorer areas during his training in a lot of versions?

What exactly is your definition of "modern DC history"? I just checked Box Office Mojo and it's domestic opening day take is bigger than Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, and Shazam Fury of the Gods. It only lets you check individual days just one country at a time, so I'm not sure how the worldwide numbers compare.
It died on arrival internationally ($5.7 million across 40,000 screens) and thus its overall gross is currently expected to be lower than Blue Bettle.
 
It died on arrival internationally ($5.7 million across 40,000 screens) and thus its overall gross is currently expected to be lower than Blue Bettle.
It's already made more domestically than Blue Beetle. Not to be rude, but you might want actually check the numbers before you start saying stuff like this.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves, it just drives me crazy when people start spouting off "facts", but don't bother to actually check to make sure they're information is accurate.
 
I'll take that. It's good that Superman and his family are returning next summer.

A problem with this Gunn-verse is that the focus is on non-major properties (Superman aside) and small screen stories. I'm happy that were getting a Green Lantern series, but I much rather would have seen the character on the big screen. And there's still no news about The Flash, the Gunnverse Batman, Wonder Woman, or any of the big names.
Agreed for the most part. I have no issue with a Supergirl movie as she got introduced in the Superman movie and actually has some brand awareness. But some of the other projects had me scratching my head. When Booster Gold was mentioned I thought "Whose that again?" I think when starting a new movie universe you should star with the A squad (Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, etc) not a C squad group that no one outside of comic nerds are aware of. Put Green lantern on the big screen and use TV for Swamp Thing or Booster Gold.
 
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It's already made more domestically than Blue Beetle. Not to be rude, but you might want actually check the numbers before you start saying stuff like this.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves, it just drives me crazy when people start spouting off "facts", but don't bother to actually check to make sure they're information is accurate.
Just to add a little bit to this, it's fine if you're just going purely by memory and don't have the time or ability to confirm it, but at least say that then, I know I do that a lot. If nothing else, it at least gives you a little wiggle room to be wrong.
 
Agreed for the most part. I have no issue with a Supergirl movie as she got introduced in the Superman movie and actually has some brand awareness. But some of the other projects had me scratching my head. When Booster Gold was mentioned I thought "Whose that again?" I think when starting a new movie universe you should star with the A squad (Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, etc) not a C squad group that no one outside of comic nerds are aware of. Put Green lantern on the big screen and use TV for Swamp Thing or Booster Gold.
Or Peacemaker!
 
It's less about the money than the impact on the Universe - anyone who thinks that the second film in a new Universe being the lowest grossing in modern DC history doesn't cause a rethink is high.

Partly because of exhibitor pressure - films that do $147 a screen per day on opening night do not pay the bills.
IDK - The Incredible Hulk BO failure didn't kill the fledgling MCU or change it's trajectory.:shrug:
 
Agreed for the most part. I have no issue with a Supergirl movie as she got introduced in the Superman movie and actually has some brand awareness. But some of the other projects had me scratching my head. When Booster Gold was mentioned I thought "Whose that again?" I think when starting a new movie universe you should star with the A squad (Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, etc) not a C squad group that no one outside of comic nerds are aware of. Put Green lantern on the big screen and use TV for Swamp Thing or Booster Gold.
So I guess you skipped Iron Man? Not on the Marvel A squad, after all.
 
Is Peacemaker's story going to continue at the movies?
I was referring to a secondary character having a great television show, and that that should be the place for Booster Gold and Blue Beetle, for example. As for the character, his story will continue in (I think) a Checkmate series.
 
Why? As I mentioned above, I think Milly is gorgeous. Then the one sheets / poster art started rolling out, and I kept doing a double-take. Is that even Milly? Is this AI that's not quite right? It doesn't look like her. She doesn't need to be prettied up, but she also doesn't need to be made to look unattractive. This was consistent across the marketing scheme for some reason. I probably saw six to ten different one sheets / posters for this, and only one of them looked like her to me.

How does this serve the version of the character? Well, you want to get people interested in seeing the character. She was gorgeous at the end of Superman 2025. For this film, the ads can feature her as be beat up, her face dirtied, her hair tussled up, etc, but not be made to look ugly. Since I posted this, I saw other people post the same thing on Twitter, and some people even posted AI art that made her look better. Oh well.

I'm just gonna say it....

This need to have a woman look pretty is unhealthy and a bit creepy.
 
IDK - The Incredible Hulk BO failure didn't kill the fledgling MCU or change it's trajectory.:shrug:

The Incredible Hulk underperformed at the box office, but still sold receipts in excess of its budget. It may not have become profitable until DVD/rental revenue kicked in, but it almost certainly made money overall. Supergirl has an estimated break-even box office figure of $315m worldwide, which an opening weekend of $30m indicates it will almost certainly fail to meet by a very large margin, and in a time where DVD/digital sales bring in much less revenue than they used to. The former underperformed; the latter is a bomb.

The Incredible Hulk's middling reviews, however, very probably did change its trajectory, along with Iron Man's notable success, in encouraging Marvel Studios to seek a stronger authorial voice for its big Avengers project, for which they hired not an experienced if somewhat generic action movie director, but a primary TV writer to both write and direct.


Without getting into the physical attractiveness of individual actors - so why was this film ignored?

The marketing? The character themselves? Something external? Lack of a decent?

For starters, the professional reviews are not so good - it's a 49 on Metacritic, which is one point lower than The Marvels.

Deadline has more. General audiences aren't liking it much:

CinemaScore yesterday was a B-, which is lower than DC’s Ezra Miller tabloid impacted The Flash (B), Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (B), Ryan Reynolds’ 2011 bomb Green Lantern (B), Shazam: Fury of the Gods (B+), and Marvel Studios’ rock bottom The Marvels (B CinemaScore). Definite recommend on Screen Engine/Rentrak’s PostTrak is 52%, which is low for a planned summer tentpole of this magnitude.​
In a further deep-dive on PostTrak, men who showed up at 59% gave Supergirl a very low definite recommend at 45% while women at 41% were a bit better at 62%.​

Then there's the general matter of women-dominated superhero movies generally not doing too well. Yes, Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman were big hits at the height of the comic book movie wave, but their sequels were both huge flops, and Birds of Prey underwhelmed. Deadline again:

Diversity demos are 40% Caucasian, 30% Hispanic and Latino, 17% Black, and 8% Asian American. Men over 25 led at 41%, women over 25 at 26%, men under 25 at 18%, and women under at 15%. It’s said you need three demos to become a hit, and clearly that under 25 Gen Z/Gen Alpha bunch are not showing up here. Warners really wanted to connect with the under 25 female demographic and did a big push with Ulta Beauty stores and associated products.​

So, if more men then women go to female-led superhero movies, and men seem to consistently prefer male-led superhero movies, then basic logic suggests that female-led ones are much riskier financial propositions.


I am not seeing a single picture of Millie Alcock in relation to this movie, or any picture anywhere, that makes her look unattractive.

I'll just say this: though she was about 25 during filming, Alcock's Supergirl looks like a kid, or girl, to me. That's not a thought I ever had with the early 30s Gal Gadot in Wonder Woman, which I paid to see in 3D in large part because of said lead actor, and I didn't regret it. Had I been in charge of this Supergirl movie, therefore, I would almost certainly have cast someone else.
 
It's already made more domestically than Blue Beetle. Not to be rude, but you might want actually check the numbers before you start saying stuff like this.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves, it just drives me crazy when people start spouting off "facts", but don't bother to actually check to make sure they're information is accurate.
I Didn't say overall domestic, I said overall gross. If you want to just want to talk domestic, It did a $10.75m Saturday, which means its on for a $37m million weekend - but every projection that comes out is lower than the last so that could go lower:

That $10.75M dom compares to:
  • The Flash $15,554,339
  • |he Marvels $15,260,052
  • Morbius $13,148,513
  • Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn $12,193,732
  • Joker: Folie à Deux $11,259,615
  • Shazam! Fury of the Gods $11,004,081
  • X-Men: Dark Phoenix $10,849,779
  • Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom $9,003,036
  • Blue Beetle $8,514,055
  • Kraven the Hunter $3,749,317
 
I Didn't say overall domestic, I said overall gross. If you want to just want to talk domestic, It did a $10.75m Saturday, which means its on for a $37m million weekend - but every projection that comes out is lower than the last so that could go lower:

That $10.75M dom compares to:
  • The Flash $15,554,339
  • |he Marvels $15,260,052
  • Morbius $13,148,513
  • Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn $12,193,732
  • Joker: Folie à Deux $11,259,615
  • Shazam! Fury of the Gods $11,004,081
  • X-Men: Dark Phoenix $10,849,779
  • Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom $9,003,036
  • Blue Beetle $8,514,055
  • Kraven the Hunter $3,749,317
Good list. There's some really good films there, and some crap films. What this tells me is what I always knew. Box Office numbers don't mean shit about how good I film is or whether I'll enjoy it or not.
 
Good list. There's some really good films there, and some crap films. What this tells me is what I always knew. Box Office numbers don't mean shit about how good I film is or whether I'll enjoy it or not.
No but what it tell us that there is something that leads an film to take off or not and it's hard to capture or as William Goldman famously put it "Nobody knows anything".

Especially in a year where a film (Obsession) that was made for the catering budget of Supergirl will be many times more successful in both absolute and relative terms.

One thing I think is becoming clear is that outside Deadpool, Wolverine, Avengers, Spiderman and Batman is that Superhero films seem to largely over internationally.
 
No but what it tell us that there is something that leads an film to take off or not and it's hard to capture or as William Goldman famously put it "Nobody knows anything".

Especially in a year where a film (Obsession) that was made for the catering budget of Supergirl will be many times more successful in both absolute and relative terms.

One thing I think is becoming clear is that outside Deadpool, Wolverine, Avengers, Spiderman and Batman is that Superhero films seem to largely over internationally.
As you probably caught, I can't care less about a movies profit. I never have and often have waited weeks to see popular movies just so the crowd thins out. I don't care how this movie does as next year's Superman is already happening, and I'm not really seeing much else come out of the Gunn's news that interests me right now.
 
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