Have you ever watched the Flodder movie or serie again?
Compare to that Police Academy is a kid show
DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)
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Have you ever watched the Flodder movie or serie again?
Compare to that Police Academy is a kid show
That they did indeed. It was planned that Seg-El had somehow learned about the Anti-Monitor and left a message in Argo City. It would have certainly retconned the Earth-38 Zod that appeared in the silver kryptonite hallucination but I could have lived with it.
The Diggle appearance with Oliver references, the publicly planned Batwoman crossover and photo of Supergirl that would have been on Lois' desk and the same actress reprising Lucy Lane do make it clear it was the original plan and I would argue remained the plan for quite some time and suddenly in the finale of season 2 declaring otherwise is a bit of a hoodwink and rug pull. The teen drama was so bad but I stuck with it and felt I had my time wasted.
I do fully accept and admit that any perceived maliciousness on their part is purely from my perspective as someone deeply passionate about the Arrowverse saga and still bitter about its unceremoneous collapse. So it is a uniquely me problem but hearts and minds are hard to change. But there's nothing that can't be rewritten with aggressive headcanon.
Not to mention the Irons' backstory arising directly out of the Crisis, with their Earth destroyed by the antimatter waves. Although that works regardless of which Earth in the multiverse the show was set on.
No, what they said in interviews was that they started to think early in developing season 2 that it would work better if they just broke with the prior Arrowverse, but they chose to keep it ambiguous out of indecisiveness, only gradually becoming confident enough to come out and say it outright. Also, they chose to prioritize telling their own story first and foremost, which was a completely understandable choice, and there just wasn't much room to put in something that would clarify its relation to other shows.
Am I glad they made that decision? No. I still regret that we didn't get a show about the versions of Superman & Lois we'd met in Supergirl and Crisis. And there's a lot about Superman & Lois that I didn't enjoy and wish they'd done differently, especially in season 2. I don't think they handled the universe retcon particularly well, and it would've been cleaner, at least, if they'd decided from the start to do an independent show. But they had the inertia of this huge sprawling Arrowverse shaping their choices, so I can understand why they started out just assuming it had to be a continuation, and only gradually realizing that what they were trying to do made more sense as its own thing. It's possible to disagree with someone's choices but still understand and respect why they made them.
I stopped trusting the interviews when actors were saying things like Diggle's beard means it was a different Diggle despite him looking identical in his Flash cameo that same year. Or Superman now has two teenage sons and not a baby so it can't be the same one despite Crisis explicitly stating there were two sons now.
It certainly was handled poorly and poor PR patch jobs don't help either. But I expressed my opinions in the best way, by not watching it anymore.
If Maxwell Lord and Morgan Edge had a baby, would its last name be Edge-Lord?
I'm talking about producer interviews, not actor interviews. Actors are just employees. They're the soldiers in the field, not the generals deciding policy. They aren't always in the loop about what's really going on; they only know what they're told.
Yeah, but Crisis didn't specify their age. It never made sense for them to be teenagers in the Earth-Prime continuity. The shows made a big thing out of how Lois couldn't risk carrying half-Kryptonian babies under a yellow sun, because one kick could kill her, so they had to relocate to Argo City for 9 months to have a baby. But Argo City had only been rediscovered a couple of years before. So it makes no sense for them to have two teenage sons. It's too radical a reinterpretation.
Really, S&L reinterpreted so much about Kryptonians that it made no sense for it to be in the same fictional reality as the Arrowverse at all, even as an alternate timeline. I mean, in Supergirl, Kryptonians couldn't breathe or fly outside an atmosphere, but they could in S&L. (Heck, in S&L, even the powerless Clark was somehow able to survive the vacuum of space and proximity to the Sun's lethal heat and radiation, which was incredibly stupid.) And there were so many inconsistencies with Supergirl even in season 1, as if they always wanted to be their own continuity -- the recast Sam Lane, the different interpretation of Morgan Edge, the incompatible Fortress, the different design to Kal-El's space pod and Kryptonian tech in general, etc. I think we forget how problematical it was to try to reconcile the show with Earth-Prime even in the first season when it was nominally pretending to be part of it.
The first two were very good, the third not so much in my opinion
I could agree on Krypton and Constantine, but I wouldn't say the Superman & Lois ended prematurely, it ran four seasons, which is a pretty good ru
Yeah, I'd pretty much started to suspect right from the beginning that Superman & Lois was a it's own Earth, there were just many things that didn't line up with Supergirl and the other Earth-1 shows. But it didn't really bother me, by the end they were crossing back and forth between universes that being on a separate Earth really wasn't that big of a deal.
And from a real world perspective, I think they also said that COVID also prevented them from being able to do at least some of the crossovers that they had planned.
Oh, yes. Now that you mention it, I remember that there were a number of people around here (probably including you) who argued that the show had to be on a separate Earth, but I resisted that because it was the producers' nominal intent that it was Earth-Prime, despite the inconsistencies. (It's hardly unprecedented for different works in the same continuity to contradict each other in various details while still maintaining the narrative fiction of a shared reality.) It did turn out to be easier once they retconned it to an alternate Earth, since I no longer had to come up with rationalizations (like, maybe the S&L Fortress of Solitude was an early, cruder version that Superman moved back to so Supergirl could use the main one, since Superman would naturally be selfless that way).
That was true of the Arrowverse as a whole, and it was a real disappointment. They went to all the trouble to merge the universes in the Crisis, but then they couldn't really do anything with it because they had to stop doing crossovers.
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