DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

[The Realist]

LOL-- it is the nature of fandom that liking one aspect of an IP or franchise means that you have to renounce all value in some other aspect of of the franchise/IP.

I try not to do that, even finding some value in Snyder's films, or at least aspects of them. But sometimes he's too appealing a target to resist, especially when so many of his fans seem to have absolutely no sense of humor or proportion when it comes to him. (I mean, seriously, what's with the nigh-religious fervor?)

 

[BillJ]

Nope.

His superhero films were not real good.

In Snyder's case, "not living up to expectations" meant wasting the company's money on mediocrity.

We also don’t know what restrictions were placed on him by Warner. But, based on what I watched, none of his films were going to do Avengers money. Regardless of who edited them.

 

[Mage]

I only just now realized......
There are actually people on the internet who assume you're a Snyder-fan because you like MoS. That is one hell of a leap that shows some people have literally no insight at all. Which explains about 90% of the comments here that have no actual depth but are simply posted to mock people that enjoy MoS/BvS/JLSC.
I could give literally zero fucks about the guy. I simply like things that I like. End of story. Now let's move on and...

MAKE THIS ABOUT THE JAMES GUNN DCU AGAIN!! FFS!

 

[JD]

It hadn't been decades, Superman Returns was only seven years old.

Oh, I completely forgot Superman Returns even existed when I wrote that post.

Oh dear God in heaven..... Do we really need another discussion about the entire 'killing Zod' thing?

Yes. YES WE DO GODDAM…







Nah.

Sorry, I just instinctively respond when I see a post that I disagree with, and what was said about it before doesn't cross my mind.

 

[theenglish]

I try not to do that, even finding some value in Snyder's films, or at least aspects of them. But sometimes he's too appealing a target to resist, especially when so many of his fans seem to have absolutely no sense of humor or proportion when it comes to him. (I mean, seriously, what's with the nigh-religious fervor?)

That's fair. I really liked where Snyder was going with his films--but that's not to say I think that is the only way for the DC universe to be. As for Snyder as a film maker, I would say that I really enjoy many of his movies but I'm not a "fan" the way I'm a fan of Scorcese, Jarmusch, Spielberg, Wenders, or similar writer/directors.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Oh dear God in heaven..... Do we really need another discussion about the entire 'killing Zod' thing?

Yep, because certai n "fans" still con themselves into believing Superman does not kill under any circumstances, yet praise that sloppy crap called Superman II where their oh-so-nice Superman takes pleasure in murdering Zod--the opposite of what MoS Superman's reaction to his act.

Regarding his four hour Justice League though, he did say when he was given permission to complete his final version of the movie he threw in everything he wanted to throw in, including material that would never have made it into the film in the theatre or even a director's cut. When WB gave him carte blanche to complete the "Snyder Cut" he went "all in". I imagine that, without the original studio interference, the intended movie would have been under three hours.

Whether three or four hours, WB greenlit the completion of the film due to the mass interest in seeing the culmination of films they loved (which was not to be found in the hack Whedon's Avengers By Another Name). WB's judgement paid off, as the ZSJL was successful.

Yes I can. The movie was better than what was released in theatres. I don't judge the quality of a movie based on its box office.

Indeed, as seen in the case of Captain America: The Winter Soldier which did not make anywhere near the box office of any of the Avengers films, yet its quite an inarguable point that the Cap sequel is the superior movie.

Many great movies throughout the history of cinema were not box office successes.

Of course, when some continue to post the BS that the Snyder films were flops when no evidence supports that fairy story, you know you're never dealing with rational minds.

I simply like things that I like. End of story. Now let's move on and...

MAKE THIS ABOUT THE JAMES GUNN DCU AGAIN!! FFS!

Notice the usual suspects: those most obsessed with hating Snyder will not let it go; instead of continuing to praise a teaser, they are still ass-hurt about a man, his well-loved interpretation of a comic book character and the fact many love said interpretation. You can bet when the Gunn film is finally released, the same obsessed Snyder haters will bitch about his film, as if that is going to help the Gunn film in any way.

 

[BillJ]

Yep, because certai n "fans" still con themselves into believing Superman does not kill under any circumstances, yet praise that sloppy crap called Superman II where their oh-so-nice Superman takes pleasure in murdering Zod--the opposite of what MoS Superman's reaction to his act.

It has been a long time since I've seen Superman II. Did we see Zod die or have a character confirm his death?

 

[M.A.C.O.]

It has been a long time since I've seen Superman II. Did we see Zod die or have a character confirm his death?

Zod, Ursa and Non got the old “fall into a bottomless pit” treatment and are never seen on screen again in the theatrical cut.

It’s implied they didn’t make it. However, in Donner’s directors cut of Superman II released in 2006. There is a brief scene which looks like the 3 are being escorted away by police.

How the police got to arctic police got to the Fortress, I have no idea.

The scene is right here.

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[BillJ]

Zod, Ursa and Non got the old “fall into a bottomless pit” treatment and are never seen on screen again in the theatrical cut.

It’s implied they didn’t make it. However, in Donner’s directors cut of Superman II released in 2006. There is a brief scene which looks like the 3 are being escorted away by police.

Then it sounds like one can read the scenes either way.

How the police got to arctic police got to the Fortress, I have no idea.

 

[BillJ]

I guess my biggest criticism of the Snyderverse is that, there's just no joy or wonder in it. It took itself so seriously, that I think it hurt those movies. That, and the incredibly dreary color pallet.

Going to most superhero movies, people are going because they want to have a good time.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It has been a long time since I've seen Superman II. Did we see Zod die or have a character confirm his death?

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1:13 - 1:20. Superman was satisfied that he just killed Zod, and did not imply that he was just "somewhere else" waiting to be arrested, or anything else.

 

[BillJ]

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1:13 - 1:20. Superman was satisfied that he just killed Zod, and did not imply that he was just "somewhere else" waiting to be arrested, or anything else.

Still looks like one can read it either way. Any mentions from the creative staff on the film?

 

[BillJ]

I do think now, in America, it is the perfect time for a positive Superman.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I guess my biggest criticism of the Snyderverse is that, there's just no joy or wonder in it. It took itself so seriously, that I think it hurt those movies. That, and the incredibly dreary color pallet.

Going to most superhero movies, people are going because they want to have a good time.

That’s fair. Snyder was playing the long game with his Superman. Like we saw with the MCU Spider-Man. MCU Peter was in 3 solos, 2 Avengers films and 1 Captain America film (featuring all the Avengers sans Hulk and Thor), before he was truly Spider-Man. Like his alternate universe counterparts.

The loss of his aunt. The great power, great responsibility speech. Giving up his happiness and love for a greater good. No friends. No billion dollar benefactor, super suit or trust fund. Just a working stiff trying to make a difference with his handmade costume in a big city. All this happened in his 6th movie appearance as the character. Macguire and Garfield were there at the end of their first movies.

Snyder’s plan was for the 3 act Superman structure most writers follow.

Act 1: Man of Steel - His first movie shares that name.
The hero’s debut and learning the ropes.

Act 2: Man of War - BvS, Justice League Part 1 and Part 2.
Where Superman’s mettle is tested. Where his enemies hit back just as hard as he can, and will do anything to tear him down. Where Superman has to overcome his demons and not submit to them. Similar to the dark phases Peter Parker goes through. When Peter is tired of being pushed around and suffers too many losses for no reward.

We all know Superman is not a man of war. Because he is the Man of Tomorrow.

Act 3: Man of Tomorrow - Two Superman solo movies to complete his trilogy. Man of Tomorrow is where Superman fulfills the promise of making the world a better place and becoming that inspiring figure DC advertises the character as.

The above plan is why Cavil fans (not Snyder fans) were upset. With even celebrities like Ryan Reynolds and Shatner commenting on Cavil losing the role. He was great in the role. He just didn’t get to finish his story.


Now we are back to Act 1 with Corenswet. I’m wishing his turn with the character all the best going forward.

 

[BillJ]

Act 1: Man of Steel - His first movie shares that name.
The hero’s debut and learning the ropes.

This was the film that needed the 'joy and wonder' the absolute most, to set the tone of where the universe wanted to go. Going dreary right off the bat, I think turned some folks off to Snyder's movies.

 

[Christopher]

How the police got to arctic police got to the Fortress, I have no idea.

Clark was able to walk from the Fortress to civilization and back without powers and without any protective gear or supplies, and with Lois for the first trip, even though any normal humans would freeze to death in Arctic conditions. I think we have to conclude that the Fortess is actually maybe a 10-minute walk from that diner.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Clark was able to walk from the Fortress to civilization and back without powers and without any protective gear or supplies, and with Lois for the first trip, even though any normal humans would freeze to death in Arctic conditions. I think we have to conclude that the Fortess is actually maybe a 10-minute walk from that diner.

Oh man, you’re right about that.

I’m slipping in my old age. Gotta rewatch these all soon.

 

[The Realist]

Clark and Lois arrived at the diner by car, though that still begs the question of how they got from the Fortress to wherever the vehicle was. Really, trying to hold the movie's feet to the fire in terms of plausibility and internal logic is a bit of a mug's game. Its attention is more on entertainment value than narrative rigor.

 

[Mudd]

Yes!



I am giddy.*

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*No, really. It may be an uncomfortable image, I understand.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Clark was able to walk from the Fortress to civilization and back without powers and without any protective gear or supplies, and with Lois for the first trip, even though any normal humans would freeze to death in Arctic conditions. I think we have to conclude that the Fortess is actually maybe a 10-minute walk from that diner.

Arctic adjacent.