A man is waiting in line to buy a ticket to James Gunn's Superman II: Zod's Revenge.
"Hey, did you know Superman kills Zod in this movie?"
"Figures, it's happened twice before."
"You'd think they would've learned by now."
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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)
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"Hey, did you know Superman kills Zod in this movie?"
"Figures, it's happened twice before."
"You'd think they would've learned by now."
Exactly. For all of the Kleenex soaked by certain Superman "fans", they're quite hypocritical (no surprise) in their whine-a-thon against Man of Steel because their favorite version did what? Killed Zod. What's worse, is that the Salkind movie Zod was transformed into a powerless human, yet he was still killed by Superman, with the Santa-like hero smirking as he tossed Zod to his doom, and had a satisfied smile on his face after Lois punched Ursa to her own death.
Oh. The. Horror....er...quickly!! Sweep it under the rug and pretend that was not the version released to moviegoers in 1980, and post endless screeds against Man of Steel's version of the act, which was justifiable!
"You mean the one where Zod is clearly alive when last seen, before disappearing into a hole of indeterminate depth in the Fortress floor?"
"Yeah, he died there."
"Well, that's a weirdly morbid leap, but okay."
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All reaction videos are not created equal. Gunn himself shared this one, which is pretty awesome:
Are people going to bring their dogs to this?
I was in a theater a few years ago where an audience member was talking on his phone during the film. Not texting -- talking. Bringing your dogs would arguably be less sociopathic than that.Are people going to bring their dogs to this?
Except they did. Not saying it would have made more money, but the theatrical release of BvS is about as cut up as the theatrical release of JL. To the point where the movie didn't make sense to a casual viewer.
There should be a pinned thread on the topic.
Are people going to bring their dogs to this?
There will be special showings for super-pets.
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I don't think it has anything to do with being a "victim". The studio did interfere with the movies to the point where the theatrical releases were far inferior films to what Snyder was making. The vast majority of Snyder "long cuts" are far better than the mandated theatrical/short edits. From Watchmen through the Rebel Moon duology, this has been the case.
I feel like more directors than not -- at least those without the clout to demand and get final cut -- have had their work altered by the studio. (Hence why "director's cuts" are practically a subcategory unto themselves.) I don't disagree that Snyder's version of BvS was superior to the theatrical release, but he was hardly uniquely, or even unusually, treated in that regard.
He's self-indulgent with the runtimes of his films. His versions of BvS and JL are three and four hours long, respectively. It's common knowledge that studios don't like crazy long runtimes in the theater, and Snyder knows that perfectly well. He can't very well feign shock that he gets cut down when he turns in features that long.
When you are working with someone's high value property, I'm sure most every director gets interfered with by the studio they are working for. If I'm investing $250 million dollars in something, I'm going to have a say.
They looked at his cut and judged it to be not good enough, which they had every right to do based on their experience with him.
If you can't say that his version would have been more successful, you can't say that they were wrong in their judgment.
That is not being unfair. That is business. It's like people discount the amounts of money that studios invest in someone like Snyder as if they're just taking a little flyer on the hope that he'll pan out. Well, movies aren't "nothing ventured, nothing gained" shit.
Nobody betrayed Snyder, he just failed.
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I don't disagree with that. Regarding his four hour Justice League though, he did say when he was given permission to complete his final version of the movie he threw in everything he wanted to throw in, including material that would never have made it into the film in the theatre or even a director's cut. When WB gave him carte blanche to complete the "Snyder Cut" he went "all in". I imagine that, without the original studio interference, the intended movie would have been under three hours.
Yes I can. The movie was better than what was released in theatres. I don't judge the quality of a movie based on its box office. Snyder didn't bring enough return on investment--that's business and says nothing about the quality of the movie. Many great movies throughout the history of cinema were not box office successes.
A fair point, and I feel bad that it seems like you're getting dogpiled. You unfortunately picked a time when the Snyder Defense Brigade is offline to start this topic of discussion.
I've watched it, and watched stretches of it several times. It is not better than the released version, it is a different color of not-real-good than the released not-real-good version. And longer.
Again, you're basing the claim that it would have sold more tickets on nothing but personal taste.
There was a decent two-and-a-half hour movie in Snyder's Justice League cut, but he demonstrated with his four-hour indulgence that he wasn't the guy to have delivered it. Someone else would have had to go in with shears after he turned it over, no matter what.
A fair point, and I feel bad that it seems like you're getting dogpiled. You unfortunately picked a time when the Snyder Defense Brigade is offline to start this topic of discussion.
LOL-- it is the nature of fandom that liking one aspect of an IP or franchise means that you have to renounce all value in some other aspect of of the franchise/IP.
In this case, there seems to be a group of people who are confusing the Snyder's films failure to live up to financial expectations with the actual films themselves and that is the dimmest way to view a movie unless your actually the executive of the production company.
"George Lucas destroyed my childhood" being a great example.
Nope.
His superhero films were not real good.
In Snyder's case, "not living up to expectations" meant wasting the company's money on mediocrity.
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