DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

[The Nightmare Doctor]

I just find it wild that some people still get bent out of shape about that.

Here's the thing: If you enjoy it, isn't that all that matters? Why waste time and energy in convincing others to enjoy something they don't have any interest enjoying?

 

[theenglish]

Yes, and it had J.K. Simmons reprising his Justice League role as Commissioner Gordon. Though it also would've followed up on The Flash by featuring Michael Keaton's alternate-universe Batman.

Spoiler: The Flash Movie

So, Batman was originally supposed to survive that movie then?

 

[The Realist]

Spoiler: The Flash Movie

So, Batman was originally supposed to survive that movie then?

Yes. As was

Spoiler

Sasha Calle’s Supergirl.

 

[theenglish]

Yes. As was

Spoiler

Sasha Calle’s Supergirl.

Cool. I knew that there had been rewrites but didn't really know, or care, about looking into them.

FWIW, Sasha Calle was the only highlight of the movie for me. It would be fun to see her as Power Girl in the Gunnverse.

 

[Set Harth]

Spoiler: The Flash Movie

So, Batman was originally supposed to survive that movie then?

He did!

 

[The Realist]

FWIW, Sasha Calle was the only highlight of the movie for me.

She was the only reason I even saw it, and I was disgusted by how dirty the movie did her.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Well, sort of. More like 2 versions of the same story, not 2 films in the same continuity.

BvS was basically a JL movie. I guess you could call it 1 and 1/2.

 

[Captaindemotion]

All this talk of superhero films since 2008 or so approx, and of Keaton almost appearing in Batgirl, it’s kinda wild to think that only 2 years separate Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, a nadir not just in the Superman series but superhero films as a whole, and Batman, the biggest film of that year. Even then WB owned both characters - hindsight is always 20/20, but I wonder did any studio executive or the like ever think that the two could crossover?

 

[camdudetenger2018]

DC did have a cinematic universe from 2013 to 2023. It had 0 Batman films, 1 Superman film, 2 Wonder Woman films, 2 Suicide Squad films, 2 JL films, 0 Martian Manhunter or Supergirl or Green Lantern films and Green Arrow didn't even appear at all.

ya that was from 2013 to 2023 lol lol when dcu started late in the comic books movies mania battles

but if dcu started in 2008 to compete against mcu and also if the comic books movies mania battles between mcu and dcu kept going from 2008 to the future lol lol imagine how many dcu movies there would have been and also should have been made

 

[Grendelsbayne]

ya that was from 2013 to 2023 lol lol when dcu started late in the comic books movies mania battles

but if dcu started in 2008 to compete against mcu and also if the comic books movies mania battles between mcu and dcu kept going from 2008 to the future lol lol imagine how many dcu movies there would have been and also should have been made

2008 to 2013 is only five years. An extra five years would not magically make WB start putting out movies at the same rate that the MCU does.

There are only 15 films in the entire DCEU (ignoring alternate cuts, anyway), released over ten years. Marvel is up to 37 (and a ton of in-universe shows, too) in just 17 years.

That's not even a knock against WB. What Marvel Studios does is genuinely unique and arguably kind of insane. The DCEU was already very fast-moving compared to most other film franchises, let alone the MCU.

Bottom line, certainly a decade ago at least, DC were absolutely not in a position to even attempt something like that because that sort of thing simply is not possible under the traditional studio model of WB. We'll see soon enough whether Gunn's new status is actually independent enough to surpass those limitations for his new DCU, but even if it is that's just another thing that simply could not have happened under WB in 2008.

 

[camdudetenger2018]

2008 to 2013 is only five years. An extra five years would not magically make WB start putting out movies at the same rate that the MCU does.

There are only 15 films in the entire DCEU (ignoring alternate cuts, anyway), released over ten years. Marvel is up to 37 (and a ton of in-universe shows, too) in just 17 years.

That's not even a knock against WB. What Marvel Studios does is genuinely unique and arguably kind of insane. The DCEU was already very fast-moving compared to most other film franchises, let alone the MCU.

Bottom line, certainly a decade ago at least, DC were absolutely not in a position to even attempt something like that because that sort of thing simply is not possible under the traditional studio model of WB. We'll see soon enough whether Gunn's new status is actually independent enough to surpass those limitations for his new DCU, but even if it is that's just another thing that simply could not have happened under WB in 2008.

imagine if mcu or dcu were micheal bay style movies lol

 

[Skipper]

Ehi, do you remember when everyone wanted their own superhero universe?

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"Based on the best selling comic book"

 

[theenglish]

The Valiant universe could have been great if the movie had been better.

There are a number of great universes out there. The problem is translating them successfully to film.

 

[Tosk]

The Valiant universe could have been great if the movie had been better.

It could have been good if it was good?

 

[Skipper]

It could have been good if it was good?

Yeah, people often forget the the first Iron Man was a good movie. (What a concept!)

 

[Christopher]

Yeah, people often forget the the first Iron Man was a good movie. (What a concept!

I enjoyed it a lot in the theater, but after the fact, I realized that its plot was really a very basic, by-the-numbers superhero origin story. What made it shine was the largely improvised dialogue and performances by the cast. The plot was just a bare framework giving them room to exercise their talents. So I'd argue that it wasn't really a good movie, at least on a story level, so much as a mediocre movie that was brilliantly executed and elevated above its material.

 

[Set Harth]

It could have been good if it was good?

the Sam Harris point of view

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Ehi, do you remember when everyone wanted their own superhero universe?

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"Based on the best selling comic book"

I recently watched a YouTube video on the top five failed attempts to launch a superhero franchise and this was either number three or two.
It had the unfortunate timing of opening up in theaters the day before Covid shut everything down, so, it never got a chance to find an audience.
Although, the author of the video crunched the numbers, and, even if theaters had stayed open, the movie still would have underperformed; so, the franchise might have been DOA anyway.

 

[Skipper]

I recently watched a YouTube video on the top five failed attempts to launch a superhero franchise and this was either number three or two.
It had the unfortunate timing of opening up in theaters the day before Covid shut everything down, so, it never got a chance to find an audience.
Although, the author of the video crunched the numbers, and, even if theaters had stayed open, the movie still would have underperformed; so, the franchise might have been DOA anyway.

It was (in my opinion) a OK movie. But I absolutely had no impulse after it was over to think, "I can't wait for the sequel!" It was Vin Diesel being Vin Diesel. Completely indistinguishable from any other character he'd played.

DC did have a cinematic universe from 2013 to 2023. It had 0 Batman films, 1 Superman film, 2 Wonder Woman films, 2 Suicide Squad films, 2 JL films, 0 Martian Manhunter or Supergirl or Green Lantern films and Green Arrow didn't even appear at all.

I wonder if the Green Lantern movie had been a success, the character would have been part of the DCU.

 

[Christopher]

I wonder if the Green Lantern movie had been a success, the character would have been part of the DCU.

It was intended to launch a shared universe, with Angela Bassett's Amanda Waller being the Nick Fury-equivalent crossover character. When it failed, Warner Bros. started over with Man of Steel. So no, a successful GL would not have been incorporated into the DCEU we got, but would have launched a different shared DC movie universe altogether. That universe might have had continued involvement from Marc Guggenheim and Greg Berlanti, so it might have ended up with some similarities to the Arrowverse, and might have happened instead of the Arrowverse.