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Dating

You'll do a better job attracting women if you're self-confident without being overbearing or cocky, with a touch of self-deprication. Come across with a good sense of humor and they'll warm up to you. Don't try to get into their pants, make an attempt to be their friend. Every woman, every single one, has at least one female friend who is in your boat, who has no confidence, who would like to find someone, and making a woman your friend is the key to finding her. And I have discovered that quite often they're generally hotter than the one you were pursuing, whether hotter looking, or more like-minded and appealing to your sense of intelligence. I had more hook-ups with female friends of my ladyfriends than I did striking out on my own. And while you're at it, check out older women...having a younger guy check them out appeals to their sense of vanity. I'm a happily-married guy in his 40s, but the hands-down most wild sex I ever had was when I was 22, with a lady who was 33. Every once in a while I'll be somewhere, smell a certain perfume, and immediately get a pinky.

Sorry to digress.

Anyway, the last thing you want to do is to appear pushy or desparate. Women can smell desparation. Like dogshit. When they smell that, or otherwise sense it (such as your willingness to immediately adjust your schedule to accomodate changes in theirs), they feel they have the upper hand and since it's no longer a challenge to them, you'll remain alone. It's a far stretch to say there's someone for everyone out there...but there are, to coin a phrase, a lot of fish in the sea, and if you keep on meeting people and having an open mind and establishing friendships with women (never understimate the chubby or homely ones...every woman has her own charm), and ultimately you will find someone who you can enjoy time with. Will that lead to something more? Who knows? But it doesn't happen overnight. It requires time and patience and effort. Saying "Hang in there, buddy" implies it will happen without effort. It is more likely to happen if you're out there circulating yourself, making friends, getting to know people, networking, and establishing friendships with women without the expectations of trying to get into their pants, which women can detect a mile away and generally find off-putting. Oh, and one last thing...women enjoy the company of the bad boy, but end up marrying the reliable grown-up man.

Hope this helps.

Not to diparage this poster above BUT - as someone who has tried both the 'nice guy/friend' approach; and the aloof/assholish method, the LATTER is more likely to get you laid. When you're the 'Nice Guy', she'll tell you everything (in great detail) about the jerk who she's actually screwing around with; and thank you for 'being there' for her; but will never want to get close/physical because that will 'wreck the friendship'.

And as always, you CAN find the one or two women who ARE exceptions to this 'rule'; but for the most part being the 'nice guy/friend' doesn't get you near your goal of getting intimate (if that's what you ultimately want).

Women want to screw/reform the 'bad seed'; and it makes them more interested in you physically. They also hate it and actually get MORE attracted if, once you have a fledgeling relationship, you occassionally feign disinterest; or stop paying them attention in certain ways. They start throwing themselves in you face and call you. The problem is, you need to walk a pretty thin line as going too overboard one way or the other will spoil things too, but I've had more success over the years (I'm now 46) with this approach as opposed to the 'nice guy' approach.

NoNameGiven is correct in many things. The aloof approach actually will (and did, back in The Day)(I am 42 now) net you more nooky, as women feel if you act like you don't really NEED them, then what is it about you that you don't feel that need, that you're not falling all over yourself to ingratiate yourself to them, and their curiosity will draw them to you.

At which point you bend them over and give them a good rogering.

But my "game", which I haven't needed for two decades, may be sadly out of date. That's why I am hoping for more female BBSers to post here with some sound advice.

And as he said, it is possible to take it a bit too far when walking the fine line, and the girl may hit the road if you're too aloof.

He is also very correct in that your ladyfriend may not want to sleep with you for fear of damaging "the relationship". I am familiar with the "friends with benefits" theory, but that wasn't really in play back in The Day. Either they were my friend, and untouchable (but set me up with THEIR friends, which my cup overfloweth), or they were romantic interests. Sometimes they started out as a romantic interest, but if we had enough in common and common interests, most generally they evolved into friendships...and that had its perks as well.
 
Look, it isn't about being an asshole, or acting full of yourself. Those are just various ways people get around the key issue of being confident. So what if you're fat? Tons of chicks date and fuck fat guys. So what if you're nerdy? Tons of nerds get laid every night. The only reason these things are an issue for you is you have bought into the idea that you aren't good enough. Why do you think guys constantly put each other down and give each other shit? It is one of the many ways to establish dominance and who gets first pick of the women. All you have to do is have the bearing of an alpha male and they'll treat you like an alpha male. Take the hottest guy you can find and have him act like a nervous wreck sucking up to women and most probably won't give him a shot.

Most women aren't going to sleep with you, even fewer are going to want to date you. The only way you sort them from the masses is to go for it.
What this is is really a combination of things. It's me still not being able to shake being told I'm worthless for long, it's my social inaptitude, the feeling of missing out on lots of stuff while others are way ahead of me, and the simple fact that my last relationship was a sham and the latest attempt failed horribly since I can't read people (apparantly). And I'm getting a fucking cold! Pity part complete.
And yeah yeah ye olde, act like an ass to get their attention. But the facts I are that I do not have the physical shape to afford to be an ass
Well, if you behave like an ass, women will think you are an ass regardless of your physical shape. If you behave confidentially, and act as if you aren't afraid to joke around with them it won't matter what you look like (as much, anyway).

Trust me. I see plenty of guys around here who look like a cross between Silent Bob and Carrot Top with some hot women. Not all of them are confident (just lucky), but most of them are.
I sat here trying to reply to this and realised there's one period where I've acted truly confident with women, and that was the period where I had a girlfriend and had nothing to prove. And then suddenly the women where all over me (oh fate, you ironic bastard). Also, please don't point out that I did manage to get a girlfriend at some point, it doesn't count. Trust me on that one.

So ultimately the solution must be for me to invent a mental girlfriend. As psycho as that sounds.
 
I hate to say this, but the most sure-fire way for a guy to get an attractive girlfriend is to earn a lot of money. Easier said than done in this economy.
 
Look, it isn't about being an asshole, or acting full of yourself. Those are just various ways people get around the key issue of being confident. So what if you're fat? Tons of chicks date and fuck fat guys. So what if you're nerdy? Tons of nerds get laid every night. The only reason these things are an issue for you is you have bought into the idea that you aren't good enough. Why do you think guys constantly put each other down and give each other shit? It is one of the many ways to establish dominance and who gets first pick of the women. All you have to do is have the bearing of an alpha male and they'll treat you like an alpha male. Take the hottest guy you can find and have him act like a nervous wreck sucking up to women and most probably won't give him a shot.

Most women aren't going to sleep with you, even fewer are going to want to date you. The only way you sort them from the masses is to go for it.

Fuckin' A right!:) Man, I think that's the best advice yet!

At least until the hot guy gets pissed that you're horning in on his action and thumps you.

Lemme tell you a story...

Set the Way-Back Machine for 1986. My third freshman semester in college. I was hanging out in the basement of a fraternity, drinking beer with about a hundred other people. Loud music was playing, and I was all suave and debonair. Some friends had led me there earlier in the evening but had taken their leave, and I knew no one but was still on the prowl.

Suddenly I spied her. Laura was in one of my English classes, and all I knew of her was her name. She was drawing a beer from a keg, and I came over. She recognized me, but only knew my name and nothing else about me (English class didn't lend itself to getting-to-know-you chit-chat). We drank a few beers and talked about the class. I wasn't really putting the Mac on her or anything, just chatting. Well, maybe a little. Unbeknownst to me, but soon beknownst to me, Laura's boyfriend was a member of this fraternity, and he was drunk and jealous. And near.

In one second I went from chatting up a young lady in a friendly conversation to being pushed up against a frathouse basement cinderblock wall by a big burly football-player-type guy, with one hand around my neck (guy had his hand all the way around my neck. A handful of neck doesn't leave too much neck. Has anyone ever had a handful of your neck?), and the other hand drawn back to punch me in the face. In the face. With my head against a cinderblock wall. And this occured right in the break between two loud songs, so it grabbed EVERYONE'S attention. Everyone was watching the turn of events.

I knew I did not have the physical wherewithal to extricate myself gracefully from this situation, so I drew upon my vast and unmatched intellect. Right before he could do anything else, I quoted a line, from the great peacemaker Gandhi, I think.

"Violence, my friend, is the last resort of a limited mind".

And an amazing thing happened.

He cocked his head, as if to reflect upon the wisdom I shared with him. His hand on my neck relaxed ever so slightly.

To this day, I am convinced that if I did nothing, he would have let me go, realizing that he'd look like an utter nob to a roomful of strangers and his fraternity brothers if he pummeled a smaller guy who was doing nothing wrong.

Sadly, that realization came too late, as I took advantage of his loosened grasp and grabbed his thick wrist with both hands, to push it off my neck and make a break for it, all thoughts of scoring with Laura banished. I saw that big hamhock-sized fist come at my face, and then I knew no more.

When I came to, they had dragged my unconscious body upstairs and thrown me out on the lawn like a sack of dog food. People were stepping over my body to go up to the party. My nose was bloody (and broken, I discovered later), and my right eye was swelling up something fierce. Even worse, in my drunken and knocked-out state, I had apparently shit my fuckin' pants, which was probably why there was only that one punch, then violent ejection from the party. I picked myself up off the ground, shook the blood and grass out of my nose, and looked back at the frat house.

My emotion, my alpha-male, shrieked, "Go back in there and challenge that asshole to a fair fight!".

My intellect, however, took stock of the situation and said, "You know, (ticking off items on fingers as he went...) your nose is probably broken, you can barely see straight, he was bigger than you in the first place, and he has many friends there while you have none present, and, oh, by the way, you shit your fuckin' pants like a little kid."

So I slunk back to my dorm the roundabout way, avoiding crowds, and took the back stairs to my floor. I waited until the coast was clear, then walked into the shower with all of my clothes on, cleaned myself up, and called it a night.

The moral of the story, my sons, is while it might be fun to pull the tail of the alpha-male in a group, alpha-males are most dangerous when being challenged for dominance of the females. Even when you don't think you're actually challenging them. Use caution as your watchword.

Hope this helps.
 
I sat here trying to reply to this and realised there's one period where I've acted truly confident with women, and that was the period where I had a girlfriend and had nothing to prove. And then suddenly the women where all over me (oh fate, you ironic bastard). Also, please don't point out that I did manage to get a girlfriend at some point, it doesn't count. Trust me on that one.

So ultimately the solution must be for me to invent a mental girlfriend. As psycho as that sounds.[/QUOTE]

If that tactic works, or if you think it will work, give it a try. Probably the better idea is not to necessarily invent a mental girlfriend, but to act as if she doesn't act romantic to you doesn't matter. You will be more relaxed and less anxious, and she'll sense it. And it will put her more at ease as well. Remember, women can smell desperation. Like dogshit.

There is also another factor to consider...scarcity of women. I was raised in one portion of the Midwestern U.S., and later moved to another portion of the Midwest. In my old stomping grounds, you'd walk into a bar, and there would be five dudes to every three girls, and two of the girls were ugly, leaving lots of competition for the attention of the good-looking one. When I moved to Nebraska, I found the ratio reversed, five girls to every three guys, and four of the girls were pretty good-looking' (and around last-call, that fifth wasn't looking too damnned bad either...). Needless to say, my return-on-investment multiplied several-fold.
 
Y'know, this thread has had some fifteen hundred people viewing it. I hope some of you are benefitting from the wisdom being dispensed herein.

I welcome all sorts of tawdry stories on PM.
 
I'm starting to wonder if maybe all those medications I was on when I was younger simply removed my sex drive.

Left the abstract desire for intimacy intact, naturally, but suppressed the instincts which would drive me to take steps towards achieving it.

It would explain a lot.

Nah. Probably on a subconscious level, your body is thinking the "I wonder if all the screwing I'm getting is worth all the screwing I'm getting", and deciding it isn't worth it to play the grand and glorious game. It's sometimes a lot more hassle than its worth, and often the thrill is in the chase, and not the catch.

No, that's not it. I've never even bothered with the chase. I've found only a few women who have any notable effect on me emotionally, and I invariably put them into the friend category quickly and permanently. Maybe I just can't deal with the idea of someone I feel that strongly about rejecting me, I dunno.
 
^^^^^
Perhaps you're one of those people that identify as asexual. They're rare, but they do exist.
 
I've wondered about that. The notion doesn't really strike a chord though. I definitely find women attractive, it's just that the more I like someone, the harder I find it to think of them in sexual terms. And I'm not the sort for one-nights, so that eliminates the *other* end of the spectrum....
 
If that tactic works, or if you think it will work, give it a try. Probably the better idea is not to necessarily invent a mental girlfriend, but to act as if she doesn't act romantic to you doesn't matter. You will be more relaxed and less anxious, and she'll sense it. And it will put her more at ease as well. Remember, women can smell desperation. Like dogshit.

There is also another factor to consider...scarcity of women. I was raised in one portion of the Midwestern U.S., and later moved to another portion of the Midwest. In my old stomping grounds, you'd walk into a bar, and there would be five dudes to every three girls, and two of the girls were ugly, leaving lots of competition for the attention of the good-looking one. When I moved to Nebraska, I found the ratio reversed, five girls to every three guys, and four of the girls were pretty good-looking' (and around last-call, that fifth wasn't looking too damnned bad either...). Needless to say, my return-on-investment multiplied several-fold.
Well the mental girlfriend was more an example. But yeah that's pretty much the effect it used to have.

As for scarcity, it's okay actually. I think Sweden for some reason have an abundance of women.
 
I definitely find women attractive, it's just that the more I like someone, the harder I find it to think of them in sexual terms.
Uh oh. It may be that you think of sex as "dirty" (even subconsciously) and therefore disconnect sexuality from women that you like; this has been known to happen.
 
Interesthing thread:cool:

Inspired by what others have written here, I decided to write a bit about my own history with women, briefly so u wont get bored.

I have myself never been very successful with women. I guess ive been always bit different than others. As for my apperance goes, I have always been very skinny. This is genetic and not from a eating disorder or from drugs, a thing i was repeatedly asked about:shifty:
In addition to this i was bullied a lot from school, for years, wich pretty much tore my selfesteem to pieces.
Over the years i tried to apporache women. All i got a was a broken hear, many times over. It seemed that my feelings where always one side AKA the women felt nothing back. I had and still have many female friends but was neve able to get forward in my love life.
Well, when I was 18 I was pretty sure i would never get laid or kissed. I diont drink booze and I hate going to bars, so meeting women was not easy.
My selfesteem improved slowly but firmly. I went to study for some years and there asked this lady out for a coffee and to my huge suprise, she said YES! I was sooo exited and we had good time eating ice-cream and talking. I though it would finally be want i had so long wanted..but it ended in about two weeks and i didint even get a kiss. I think she wanted just be friends.
When I was around 22 I had computer of my own and i decided to write an add to an pen pal site, to get some new friends. I did write to the add that "Women only, please".
I got tons of pen pals, all very nice from different countries. I started writing with this girl from Spain and after a while i noticed that i have an crush an her and she didint seem to mind. After few months she game to Finland and we started dating. Boy, i was on top of the World:techman:
Well, that lasted three years and she left me, I was devastated. I recovered slowly and in the mist of my lonelyness i singned up to this dating site that i found to be very good and in few months I started writing to this beautiful and intelligent lady from Czech and we have been togheter now for over two wonderful years:)..and i have learned to love myself.

My point is: There is lot of fish on the ocean. I didint manage well with the ladies from my own country but i have dated two beautiful, smart and sexy woman.
I recommend if one wants to have a gf or bf is to do something about it. Internet is a good place to hook up with people, even beyond borders. There are some good dating sites out there.
Dont hate yourself. I know that being unwanted hurts but selfpity doesnt hepl at all. Be yourself and keep trying:techman:

And sorry for the long post all:alienblush:...
 
Whoever said announcing you're a "nice guy" is a turnoff is definitely right. There's a guy at school who I was somewhat interested in until he posted something on his facebook ("BULLSHIT!" in response to an article on "Why Funny Guys Get the Babes.") Every few days now he writes something about being sad because he's single, and how it's not fair because he's a nice guy and girls should like him. Dude, I've been single for ages and never whine about it like that.
 
I definitely find women attractive, it's just that the more I like someone, the harder I find it to think of them in sexual terms.
Uh oh. It may be that you think of sex as "dirty" (even subconsciously) and therefore disconnect sexuality from women that you like; this has been known to happen.

Now that does ring true---moreso, anyway. There are a number of catch-22s in my thinking surrounding the whole thing; I'm aware of them, but a path through has yet to present itself.
 
I definitely find women attractive, it's just that the more I like someone, the harder I find it to think of them in sexual terms.
Uh oh. It may be that you think of sex as "dirty" (even subconsciously) and therefore disconnect sexuality from women that you like; this has been known to happen.

Sex is dirty? Well, thank goodness someone invented a shower... :p
 
Whoever said announcing you're a "nice guy" is a turnoff is definitely right. There's a guy at school who I was somewhat interested in until he posted something on his facebook ("BULLSHIT!" in response to an article on "Why Funny Guys Get the Babes.") Every few days now he writes something about being sad because he's single, and how it's not fair because he's a nice guy and girls should like him. Dude, I've been single for ages and never whine about it like that.
The problem is that most "Nice guys" are that way because they were raised to think it should work. They take their tips from romantic comedies and whatnot and don't realize that the things that those guys do in those movies are acceptable only after you've already established a relationship with the girl. They see women as a prize to be won, something they have to manipulate into liking them.

Someone needs to start a charity for these poor guys. Not all of them can find their way out of the darkness like I did.
 
I definitely find women attractive, it's just that the more I like someone, the harder I find it to think of them in sexual terms.
Uh oh. It may be that you think of sex as "dirty" (even subconsciously) and therefore disconnect sexuality from women that you like; this has been known to happen.

Now that does ring true---moreso, anyway. There are a number of catch-22s in my thinking surrounding the whole thing; I'm aware of them, but a path through has yet to present itself.
It should be easy enough to find information about with a little Googling; like I said, it's not uncommon. If you're aware of the Catch-22s, you're one step ahead already.
 
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