Spoilers Dark PhoeniX - Review and Discussion Thread

[crookeddy]

This is unequivocally false.

And there's no such thing as a "soft reboot"; that's once again misusing the term.

I ended the discussion.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Language changes. Reboot may initially have been used to mean a brand new take on something, like Batman Begins or Casino Royale, around which time is when I first remember it being used in a movie context (ironically, a lot of reporters described each movie as a “prequel”) but it’s evolved now to mean essentially a revival. I personally prefer the original meaning but seeing as I don’t actually own the word, I’m not going to get worked up about it.

 

[Timby]

Oh my fucking God, if you people don't stop language-lawyering about the definition of "reboot," I swear I will turn this car right the fuck around.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That moment when you discover an entire argument was hidden by ignore...

 

[JD]

Simon Kinberg.

I don't hate Kinberg the way some people seem, but even I was a bit confused when they picked him to write Dark Phoenix. He couldn't pull it off the first time, and there was no reason to think he'd do any better the second.They really should have given someone else a crack at the story.

 

[Timby]

I don't hate Kinberg the way some people seem, but even I was a bit confused when they picked him to write Dark Phoenix. He couldn't pull it off the first time, and there was no reason to think he'd do any better the second.They really should have given someone else a crack at the story.

Not just writing, but also making it his directorial debut.

He was the sole writer on Apocalypse. Some dimwit at Fox watched that shitshow and said, "Yes, we should give this guy $200 million to direct the sequel."

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse were so bad for me. I've actually elevated my opinion of XMO Wolverine. I never hated X3. I just thought characters likes Cyclops, Angel and Jean were underutilized despite the marketing.

Thinking about FC. I would still love to see that middle story that we were denied prior to DOFP. The one regarding the fate of Magneto's first Brotherhood. With Mystique, Azaezel, Riptide, Angel and Emma Frost. From what Erik said in DOFP when he lists all their names, it sounds like Banshee turned coat and joined as well. That would've been something to see live action.

 

[Turtletrekker]

That moment when you discover an entire argument was hidden by ignore...

Once, in the Star Trek Discovery forum, I once had a full page of a thread that only had three posts on it.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Once, in the Star Trek Discovery forum, I once had a full page of a thread that only had three posts on it.

Wow, that's impressive!

 

[suarezguy]

What do you guys think held the new movies back?

Probably the filmmakers just being tired with the material but also a little too reverential toward themselves and so not going enough in a new direction (but also not consistent enough with the old films to be enjoyable in that way either).

It was fully intended to be a hard reboot until Singer came back, and then he shoehorned the old continuity into it, making it a soft reboot since the events of the original were never to be directly referenced again.

FC felt really unconnected to the previous films except for Xavier's mansion and maybe wheelchair and Mystique's appearance, it would have been like if Batman Begins had been as much a reboot as it was except that it reused the '89 mansion and Batmobile.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Matthew Vaughn had said his intention was to build up his FC X-Men and Brotherhood teams, recast Wolverine younger (Tom Hardy presumably), and close out his trilogy with DOFP. Saying recently , that after DOFP, the franchise would have nowhere to go. Pointing to the disappointment of X-Men Apocalypse.

The story they crafted with DOFP was just so good, they couldn't wait to do it. Folding in First Class 2 and X-Men 4 into one movie.

Things said in X1 and FC don't 100% line up but both are a lot of fun that people are willing to go with it. With Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, you have more incongruities that don't mesh.To the point of the original trilogy of movies can't even have happened at all.

 

[Tosk]

recast Wolverine younger

Which makes no sense at all.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Which makes no sense at all.

Sandbox, mate. Everyone wants to play in their own sandbox with these comic book characters.

Younger Spider-Man and Aunt May- Sony/MCU
Younger Wolverine - Matthew Vaughn
Younger Bruce Wayne Batman - Matt Reeves

 

[Captaindemotion]

Which makes no sense at all.

I remember a lot of people complaining that Jackman was too young, when Singer first cast him. I read an explanation that Singer was thinking long-term - he didn’t want to cast an actor already in his 40s.

I don’t think anyone really expected Hugh to remain in the role quite that long!

 

[Morpheus 02]

Hey...I kinda skipped the bulk of the messages... I had a question...how violent is Dark Phoenix compared to Apocalypse?

We had gone to see it when my youngest was 6...not at all knowing about the throat slitting scene (we felt like other violence wasn't as graphic in previous X-Men movies, especially Singer's previous movies). How does this compare? Wanted to see if we should rent it for the whole family, or just me & my wife.

 

[Timby]

I remember a lot of people complaining that Jackman was too young, when Singer first cast him. I read an explanation that Singer was thinking long-term - he didn’t want to cast an actor already in his 40s.

I'm not necessarily sure I buy this, because Dougray Scott, Singer's first choice for the role, would have been around 35 at the time the first X-Men was shooting.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I'm not necessarily sure I buy this, because Dougray Scott, Singer's first choice for the role, would have been around 35 at the time the first X-Men was shooting.

35 isn’t “in his 40s.”

Having said that, I think I read it on AICN, so it’s entirely possible that this was balls.

 

[Forbin]

Finally saw it.
I went thru the whole beginning of the film wondering why Mistique was in a position to give Jennifer Lawrence Speeches™ to the X-Men, when she's supposed to be a damn villain.

The end of the film was a damn clone of the end of X3, down to Jean causing men to crumble. WTF? At least we got the flame-bird at the end, but it was too late. We needed way more awesome Jean-craziness and flame bird before the denouement.

 

[Timby]

35 isn’t “in his 40s.”

Correct, but he would have been pushing 40 by the time any hypothetical (at the time) sequels were being produced.

 

[DonIago]

Finally saw it.
I went thru the whole beginning of the film wondering why Mistique was in a position to give Jennifer Lawrence Speeches™ to the X-Men, when she's supposed to be a damn villain.

The end of the film was a damn clone of the end of X3, down to Jean causing men to crumble. WTF? At least we got the flame-bird at the end, but it was too late. We needed way more awesome Jean-craziness and flame bird before the denouement.

This review makes me

How could they try telling this story once, mess it up, and then repeat the same mistakes?