Spoilers Dark PhoeniX - Review and Discussion Thread

[Turtletrekker]

I always felt the Dark Phoenix would have been easy enough to adapt going from basic plot beat to basic plot beat without having to go cosmic. After Jean goes Dark Phoenix, instead of going into space and eating a sun which destroys an inhabited planet, she eats a nuclear power plant reactor which irradiates and kills an entire nearby community. Instead of the Imperial Guard coming after her, it's a team of government-sponsored mutants. That they did the same story and made the same mistakes twice is mind-boggling.

 

[Anwar]

I always felt the Dark Phoenix would have been easy enough to adapt going from basic plot beat to basic plot beat without having to go cosmic. After Jean goes Dark Phoenix, instead of going into space and eating a sun which destroys an inhabited planet, she eats a nuclear power plant reactor which irradiates and kills an entire nearby community. Instead of the Imperial Guard coming after her, it's a team of government-sponsored mutants. That they did the same story and made the same mistakes twice is mind-boggling.

I think the bigger problem is that if they did do that stuff on-screen, it'd be hard to not sympathize with the Anti-Mutant people. I mean, 1 mutant causing that kind of damage and no repercussions?

Instead they continue to make humans into 1-Dimensional jerks in these movies, who respond to Jean smashing up some Cop Cars by creating internment camps.If she HAD blown up a country and the X-Men refused to do anything to help, the human response would've made more sense.

 

[Gaith]

After Jean goes Dark Phoenix, instead of going into space and eating a sun which destroys an inhabited planet, she eats a nuclear power plant reactor which irradiates and kills an entire nearby community.

Aye, that'd be a good point-of-no-return moment, following a series of increasingly unilateral yet arguably positive exercises of power such as deposing tyrants and smashing up belligerent armies. Have the X-Men (and indeed the world) fret over and debate whether Jean playing God can or should be tolerated, until she goes over the edge, without remorse, and the X-Men are forced to unite and stop her before the world's militaries start firing nukes of their own.

... For all the crap I give The Last Stand, the climactic bit in which Logan kills Jean was solid. Certainly a better conclusion than some lame voiceover confirming Young Jean's still out there, and a flaming bird over Paris. But, both efforts are clear fails overall.

 

[Tosk]

A story where Jean does something so bad that we cannot accept her as a hero any more would at least be interesting. Dark Phoenix plays that tiresome game of people doing bad things only to do a total 180 for the finale.

Spoiler

All the good guys who wanted to kill Jean for the rest of the film suddenly about-face and want to protect her (because it's what Raven would have done! **Groan**) and Jean herself of course flips back to being nice when it's convenient for the plot.

As noted by many before me, why bother to "remake" X3 and then make all the same damn mistakes? Jean says a little more in DP, but she still basically stands around a bunch and gets miffed when people try to talk her down.

 

[DonIago]

This is pushing me away from even wanting to see it on Blu ray, damn. :/ Maybe if I can rent it cheap...

 

[Tosk]

I'll say this for it, it's not remotely the worst X-Film. There are at least three others worse than this one in my opinion.

 

[Kor]

She could have destroyed all of Latveria without remorse. That would have been unspeakably evil.

Kor

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I've been pondering the original trilogy X-Men movies and why they turned out a lot better than the reboot FC cast of X-Men films.

Both trilogies share DOFP. That leaves us with:

X1 vs FC
X2 vs Apocalypse
X3 vs Dark Phoenix

I can say, personally, that the FC movies made missteps by not doing more with the eclectic cast of characters they had available and the overexposure and inflated importance of JLaw Mystique. But the OG movies did a lot with a little, by today’s standards and have a charm to them. A charm only FC managed to capture and was absent from Apocalypse and Phoenix.

Rewatching the X-Men films in a marathon this week. I can't help but feel that DOFP should be considered the last of the main X-Men movies.Go out on top, with a high note. With Logan and Deadpool 2 being the finales for solo projects.

What do you guys think held the new movies back?

 

[Timby]

What do you guys think held the new movies back?

Simon Kinberg.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The new movies were definitely held back by their refusal to move past the Charles/Erik dynamic and an overuse of Raven that didn't fit the character. The new focus should have been less on repeating the Charles/Erik beats and more on the students.

 

[DigificWriter]

People misusing the term "reboot" has become a 'trigger' that makes me want to tear my hair out and scream into the void.

 

[crookeddy]

People misusing the term "reboot" has become a 'trigger' that makes me want to tear my hair out and scream into the void.

no

 

[DigificWriter]

no

You don't get to tell me how to react to people calling something a reboot when it very clearly isn't.

 

[crookeddy]

You don't get to tell me how to react to people calling something a reboot when it very clearly isn't.

They were not talking to you in the first place. You don't need to chime in with YOUR definition of reboot.

 

[DigificWriter]

They were not talking to you in the first place. You don't need to chime in with YOUR definition of reboot.

I'm not the one misusing the term.

And all I said is that I'm tired of the term being misused to the point that it's become a 'trigger' for me.

 

[crookeddy]

I'm not the one misusing the term.

And all I said is that I'm tired of the term being misused to the point that it's become a 'trigger' for me.

It's never been misused.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's never been misused.

Whatever you say, dude.

Calling the First Class trilogy a "reboot" of the XMCU is a blatant misuse of that term.

 

[Gaith]

 

[crookeddy]

Whatever you say, dude.

Calling the First Class trilogy a "reboot" of the XMCU is a blatant misuse of that term.

It was fully intended to be a hard reboot until Singer came back, and then he shoehorned the old continuity into it, making it a soft reboot since the events of the original were never to be directly referenced again.

End of discussion.

 

[DigificWriter]

It was fully intended to be a hard reboot until Singer came back

This is unequivocally false.

And there's no such thing as a "soft reboot"; that's once again misusing the term.