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News Daniel Craig signs up for Bond 25, Christopher Nolan in talks to direct

The timelessness of the character is arguable. James Bond can also be seen as a personification of anachronistic imperialism and jingoism, as well as "a sexist, misogynist dinosaur, a relic of the Cold War."
And I say this as a long-time Bond fan.

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The idea of Bond being a man out of time has been there from the very text that Fleming wrote. He's the last man standing for the British Empire of olde, in a world where the US and the Soviets became the dominant superpowers. In CASINO ROYALE it's very intentional that on the card table you have Le Chiffre representing Soviet Russia, Felix Leiter representing the USA, and Bond for England. What happens when Le Chiffre cleans him out of the game? Felix comes to the rescue and bails out Bond by lending him money. WW2 replayed on the casino table. It's even more blatant in the novel YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, where Bond is having multiple geopolitical discussions with Tiger Tanaka, and how England and Japan is trying to catch up with the ever changing dynamics of the world. So by keeping Bond white, the films can actually maintain that subtext.

Speaking of the NEW film, it's actually interesting that the movie has Bond at the beginning of the film residing in Jamaica, a country that declared its independence from the Empire nearly 60 years ago. It's as if he's a ghost of the British Empire that hasn't learned to move on with the ever changing world.

Of course, the aspect of Bond being a man out of time wasn't really a thing in the movies until arguably the 70s, when Roger Moore had to team up with a female agent that represented modern Feminism. Then by the 90s that changed to the new world order with M calling Bond "a relic of the Cold War" in the film GOLDENEYE. Then in SKYFALL Silva mocks Bond by bringing up "the Empire" as a dead relic much like Bond.
 
James Bond is a government controlled saboteur, assassin, and terrorist. For every woman he's used and discarded, he's ruthlessly killed a dozen men. I expect nothing else from him. He's a functional sociopath who has no need for human connections or emotional contact, other than for the thrill of the hunt. To argue that he is a misogynist is to ignore his manipulation, sadism, and murder of men as though that's all ok.

That said, I have fun watching the Craig Bond movies. That doesn't mean I aspire to being a misanthrope.
Congratulations.

You've somehow managed to squeeze multiple fallacies in this one little post. That's rather impressive.
 
FWIW, I see that the new star of The Saint (assuming that they have any more success in getting this version off the ground than they’ve had with the last few) is of mixed race. He’d been popping up as one of the tabloids’ favoured names to succeed Craig, so at least they got the succeeding Roger Moore part right https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rege-jean-page-the-saint-movie-1234988363/

Regé-Jean Page will make a great Simon Templar and as we all know playing the Saint is no impediment to playing Bond ;)

That reminds me, I need to watch Bridgerton. I heard Page was really good in that.

He's very good. I loved Bridgeton and came out of it with Regé-Jean firmly added to my Bond list.

Given the upcoming Snake Eyes film I see Henry Golding is the newest name put forward for Bond
 
Think of it like this: Was Daniel Craig a known name when DIE ANOTHER DAY came out?

The next guy might just be someone we don't have in our radar at the moment.
 
Think of it like this: Was Daniel Craig a known name when DIE ANOTHER DAY came out?

The next guy might just be someone we don't have in our radar at the moment.
He wasn’t a superstar but he was pretty well-known nonetheless. Tomb Raider, Road to Perdition, Sylvia, Enduring Love, Archangel were all reasonably high-profile.

I take your point that Eon rarely go for a big name for Bond (though they did allegedly pursue a few to replace Dalton, as they supposedly felt that the franchise needed a shot in the arm). I also take your point that Craig wasn’t really on anyone’s radar until the last few names on the shortlist leaked. But I do wonder if, in an era of streaming, whether it’s as hard for someone to fly under the radar now as it was then? For example, shows like Bodyguard were made by the BBC, as was Archangel, but it brought Richard Madden a higher profile due to airing on Netflix etc.

In general, you’re right though - if the tabloids are naming someone as the next Bond, the likelihood is that it’ll be someone else!
 
Well yes, but my point was that Craig was only a quirky character actor in 2002 no one would have suspected.

By 2004? He was getting buzz, albeit not as much as Clive Owen.
 
The time is nearly upon us. The end of the 6th James Bond. His song is ending. The moment has been prepared for

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That second trailer is much better. Definitely has me excited to see this film finally.

"Can I have just one nice evening, please, before the world explodes?"

Nope, Q, you cannot! :lol:
 
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The end of an era of the UGLY Bond. I hope Wilson and Broccoli cast an actor who is "On Model" appropriate as the character. Craig will always have Casino Royale and he was thrilling in that movie; it was that movie I believed a Jason Bourne type OO7 could work, and it did. After his other outings, I thought the actor never captured the essence of the character, as if he never believed he could be James Bond, and felt he had to remake it to fit his own sensibilities. I never had a problem with Pierce Brosnan as OO7 but I hated the movies his Bond was in, but Brosnan nailed the character in his 2nd movie and moved forward and I feel that's what an actor who take on the role has to do.

I hear some really ridiculous comparisons of Craig's weak outings similar to Timothy Dalton, Dalton was OO7 the moment he was on screen and he did have quips but they were tone down because of the nature of the movies he was performing to allow the viewer to understand this is not a Roger Moore Outing. Dalton was very much the character and I still love and appreciate "The Living Daylights". Craig, unless he blooms in this movie which I honestly DOUBT, will always appear to me as James Bond "In Training", had small moments but never captured what the character is. Bond is a confident force, and he may have issues and conflicts like any other person but he understood where his duties lie and would never quit on his country like Craig's pierrot did... in practically every movie he done.
 
In fairness, that's what organizations like MI-6 and the US intel community really want for field operators. They don't want flamboyant tuxedo-wearing playboy types that light up the room the second they walk through the door. They want normal-looking (yes, sometimes even ugly) people who others wouldn't bother to give a second glance to. They move through crowds the easiest and get their mission accomplished without anyone noticing. Pretty Bond is total bullshit fantasy.
 
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