lol, no. That's a textbook example of circular logic.
Danica McKellar Becomes A Bible-Believing Christian After Leaving California
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I am existing in the universe. There is no God so the universe doesn't belong to him. You might as well be saying the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe, so we're all existing on his plate. Delusion and wish-fulfillment fantasies do not make something real. But if that's how you roll, knock yourself out. Just leave the rest of us out it.
If some B-list actress wants live in that delusion, that's her business. I don't care.
Lol, yes. This isn't my first rodeo. When the other guy starts using terms like "circular logic" and "argument from incredulity", I know he's doing the debating equivalent of threatening me with an unloaded gun.
@auntiehill - you're welcome to your beliefs. But if you call mine a delusion, I will say the exact same thing about yours. Turning the other cheek was never my forte.
@auntiehill - you're welcome to your beliefs. But if you call mine a delusion, I will say the exact same thing about yours. Turning the other cheek was never my forte.
God forbid* we use logic and reason in theological discussions!
* - Sarcasm and irony intended.
The structure of the universe compels me to logical belief. I don't find it delusional.
Also, the Big Bang theory was conceived by a Catholic.
But, I leave to each individual to explore. Belief does not come by the edge of the sword.
Also, the Big Bang theory was conceived by a Catholic.
But, I leave to each individual to explore. Belief does not come by the edge of the sword.
I used logic. You made excuses.
Don't feel too bad. Once this discussion gets shooed off to TNZ, I won't be able to continue it. And you'll be able to smugly congratulate each other and declare yourselves the victors.
I knew a guy, a cosmologist, who didn't believe at all in the big bang theory. He used to say, the big bang was a thing of the past.
That is some, uh..., fancy thinking here.
That is all you're doing, because you have no tangible proof.
That's ridiculous. You can get it on DVD.
I see a pocket watch ticking off the hours, I know that human hands crafted it. I see a universe, teeming with order and featuring the miracle of life, I know that divine hands crafted it. The fact that the universe exists and I exist within it is all the proof I require.
You are not banned from TNZ despite your continuing assertion of the claim. And stick to post not poster please.
I don't think it's completely fair to label religion a delusion. A delusion is something believed when there is ironclad proof that the opposite is true. Atheists don't have absolute proof that no god exists, just as Christians have no absolute proof that God exists...or that Vishnu does not exist. If any of us had real proof there'd be no debate. Well, maybe less debate.
This just reads like an attempt to wave away the notion of circular logic because it's annoying to your stance.
My mother is quite religious. She knows I don't believe what she believes so we just leave it there. I never comment on it if she doesn't. And I tolerate the very occasional "Jesus loves you" without making a sarcastic comment.
Real question, what does that actually mean?
This just reads like an attempt to wave away the notion of circular logic because it's annoying to your stance.
No, it was my standard response to when someone uses a term rather than an argument. You want me to buy into the notion that a Honda Civic (or a refrigerator, or a pocket watch) can exist without being assembled by human hands, you're going to have to give me a rational explanation of how it occurs. Part by part, gear by gear, possibly even molecule by molecule.
And in any case, it wasn't circular logic at all. I wasn't saying "Frigidaire exists, therefore refrigerators exist; refrigerators exist, therefore Frigidaire exists." I know refrigerators exist because I just put my groceries in one. I have never seen a refrigerator manufacturing facility. But, I know the exist because I have seen their product. Same thing here.
I like that idea, and I don't even know what it is.Time to get this thread back on topic.... so start bashing Great American Family.
Oh, it absolutely was. Directly quoting you, you said that, "Saying that God is a delusion while dwelling in His universe is like saying that Honda is a delusion while you're sitting in a Civic." What makes it circular logic is that you have assumed in the analogy that "sitting in a Civic" corresponds to "dwelling in His universe." That's not merely dwelling in the universe, which would not have been circular, but rather dwelling in "His universe," which presupposes the existence of a God who created the universe. Being circular, it is not an argument to prove or demonstrate in any way that assigning a deity as the creator of the universe is a more rational position than considering that such an assignment is a delusion.
Hondas, refrigerators, and watches are, by definition artificial constructions. They have builders, by definition. The universe is natural, something else entirely, whose nature is a mystery that humans have been attempting to discover and learn about since the dawn of civilization. To assume that the universe is like a watch to the extent that because it is ordered it must have a sapient creator is only that, an assumption, that literally no one has been able to prove using only logic, reason, and scientific theories, ever. Neither I nor anyone else needs to explain how a Honda could self-assemble in order to correctly point out that the assumption that the universe has a sapient creator is only an assumption. The fact that no one understands every detail of how the universe came to be is not in itself an argument in favor of the universe having a sapient creator. It simply means that it is a mystery, it is unknown.
Since you are not banned from TNZ—as you have been informed on multiple occasions, including today, assuming you didn't already know that to begin with—we can continue this discussion there, or in Miscellaneous, whenever I have the time. Believe me, this isn't my first rodeo either. My expectations are low, and therefore you can expect a low participation level from me, though not necessarily zero whenever I have the time.
Anyway, that's my reply to what was already posted. I'm done.
This thread is about McKellar, who is welcome to hold her beliefs, whether I agree with them or not, as is her right.
I'm pretty sure they use robot hands for a lot of it nowadays.
Joke aside, I don't want you to accept that. I don't recall anyone else asking you to accept that. I'm also not asking you to believe that a mountain was made by human hands.
I'm just asking that you believe that Danica McKellar was made by human hands.
If she dressed up as Ms. Martian for Halloween, there's no proof of it online.
It might count as heresy.
Although she did dress up as Princess Leia once and she's not from Earth, so who knows?
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