Danai Gurira to join Star Trek 4(?)

[Grendelsbayne]

Yeah, but creative teams apparently think they need to put new characters in every movie.

Replacing Chekov means putting a new navigation officer. I guess if they wanted to, Jaylah could assume that role if she has graduated already, but I see her being more interested about Scotty's job than Chekov's.

I don't recall any major new characters (other than the villain) in TSFS. Saavik and David were both returning characters. And Saavik was going to return for TUC, too, until they couldn't get the actress back. Generations also went straight to Lursa and B'Etor instead of creating new characters. It's not at all unheard of to bring a character back instead of making a new one.

And replacing Chekov does not need to mean putting someone at his exact bridge station. She could easily work in engineering with Scotty. Or she could be at an engineering station on the bridge. Or she could be in a role she doesn't want to be in as part of her training - you could have plenty of fun with her and Scotty arguing about whether it's useless for her to train in positions she never intends to fill.

 

[Greg Cox]

I don't recall any major new characters (other than the villain) in TSFS. Saavik and David were both returning characters. And Saavik was going to return for TUC, too, until they couldn't get the actress back. Generations also went straight to Lursa and B'Etor instead of creating new characters. It's not at all unheard of to bring a character back instead of making a new one..

And TSFS also brought back Mark Lenard as Saavik . . . for the first time in umpteen years. Bring Jaylah back would be far less of a deep dive into the past.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Mark Lenard as Saavik

Now there's a mental image I don't need.

 

[Malaika]

If it were for me, I'd totally bring back reboot Sarek too, tbh. And Winona Kirk, and Gaila. Maybe make Chapel and Rand do a cameo too.

 

[Starbreaker]

Apparently GODZILLA VS. KONG also wants her. Unsure if she'll have to choose between them.

She'll probably be able to do both if she jumps ship from The Walking Dead like her costars.

 

[Jayson1]

If they want to replace Chekov they should go with M'Ress the cat alien or Gary Mitchell IMO. Which reminds me. Could Gurira play M'Ress?

Jason

 

[Grendelsbayne]

If they want to replace Chekov they should go with M'Ress the cat alien or Gary Mitchell IMO. Which reminds me. Could Gurira play M'Ress?

Jason

M'Ress would be a possibility, but I see no reason to prefer her over Jaylah. One is an actually solid character who already has a history with this crew. The other is a tiny role who was never given any real personality from a tiny, animated series that most people never saw. It would essentially still be creating a new character, just with a fankwankery name.

Gary Mitchell should only be involved if the story is a play on WNMHGB, which I doubt it will be (and I prefer it not be), or if it somehow heavily involves Kirk's past (which might be possible, but I still doubt it).

 

[F. King Daniel]

If they want to replace Chekov they should go with M'Ress the cat alien or Gary Mitchell IMO. Which reminds me. Could Gurira play M'Ress?

Jason

Remember, this is what Kelvin Universe Caitains look like:

 

[Khan 2.0]

maybe she'll be a Klingon warrior? (something to do with George Kirk being captured just before Kelvin went boom? or timetravel?)

If they want to replace Chekov they should go with M'Ress the cat alien or Gary Mitchell IMO. Which reminds me. Could Gurira play M'Ress?

Jason

Maybe they won't want to acknowledge Beyond after it underperformed so no Jaylah?
If Chekov has to be replaced then I could see them introducing a fan favourite -saavik? (obvs born earlier in the JJtimeline)

 

[CorporalClegg]

Personally, I hope they scrap the George Kirk thing. Other than having Hemsworth on the marquee, I just don't see the lift. The world just doesn't need another "Yay patriarchy!" blockbuster, especially with an up and coming woman director casting two prominent roles for women.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Remember, this is what Kelvin Universe Caitains look like:

Maybe they just shaved.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Maybe they won't want to acknowledge Beyond after it underperformed so no Jaylah?

Unlikely.

Whatever the reasons might be for STB's poor performance at the box office, Jaylah certainly can't be one of them. She was a strong and well written character, and ST4 could only be better for including her.

As for George Kirk: If ST4 goes the full "Yesterday's Kelvin" route, I'm all for it.

 

[Malaika]

I think it speaks volumes they'd bring Kirk's father back from the death rather than exploring a dynamic with the parent that is still alive: his mother.
I even have a feeling Winona Kirk may be more interesting too.. she surely isn't the average mom. His parents were both starfleet officers and his mother gave birth on a spaceship and lost her husband the same day...and then she apparently left her kids to get raised by an uncle or her second husband (depending on the version ) for some years.
Jim Kirk may have idealized his father because maybe he didn't have a big connection to his mother too, with the latter possibly just struggling between being a single parent, a mother and having a career in starfleet.


As for Jaylah, I think that her arc in beyond kind of got closure with her going to the academy to have her own life away from Altamid (with kirk&Co inspiring her to find a purpose here, in contrast with Krall who couldn't fully appreciate it all), and she might still be there when the next movie happens. However, she could always appear in the next one or others, ditto for Carol. They always have the option to bring the new/supporting characters back, they just don't necessarily have to shape their story around the notion they have to give those characters something to do. Especially when they have still (now) 6 recurring characters to handle and also the new characters they need to add to set a new plot in motion.

 

[shapeshifter]

Maybe they just shaved.

Or a hairless breed.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I think it speaks volumes they'd bring Kirk's father back from the death rather than exploring a dynamic with the parent that is still alive: his mother.
I even have a feeling Winona Kirk may be more interesting too.. she surely isn't the average mom. His parents were both starfleet officers and his mother gave birth on a spaceship and lost her husband the same day...and then she apparently left her kids to get raised by an uncle or her second husband (depending on the version ) for some years.
Jim Kirk may have idealized his father because maybe he didn't have a big connection to his mother too, with the latter possibly just struggling between being a single parent, a mother and having a career in starfleet.

I think it speaks primarily to the fact that George Kirk already had a huge heroic moment which people really liked and was played by an actor who has become more and more popular since then (having recently starred in a movie that grossed 850 million dollars), while Winona Kirk was barely shown at all (the movie doesn't actually even say she was a Starfleet officer - you have to read tie-in material to find that out) and was played by an actress who is reasonably popular on tv but can't be expected to bring in any major number of extra moviegoers. Plus the fact that his relationship to his father has already been defined as his defining relationship in three movies.

I would be very interested to see this mother/son idea on film, but I don't find it at all strange or reprehensible that they're more likely to go for George.

As for Jaylah, I think that her arc in beyond kind of got closure with her going to the academy to have her own life away from Altamid (with kirk&Co inspiring her to find a purpose here, in contrast with Krall who couldn't fully appreciate it all), and she might still be there when the next movie happens. However, she could always appear in the next one or others, ditto for Carol. They always have the option to bring the new/supporting characters back, they just don't necessarily have to shape their story around the notion they have to give those characters something to do. Especially when they have still (now) 6 recurring characters to handle and also the new characters they need to add to set a new plot in motion.

I don't see how going to the academy should be called closure for her, any more than it was for Nog or Wesley. And the movie can be set whenever they want, so if they want her to be at the academy, they can do that, but there's certainly no reason she needs to be there. I agree returning characters work best if they don't force the story into knots to make room for them (though I think this is really less significant on Star Trek in general - being a member of the crew is generally good enough to organically involve someone in the plot). I would still prefer to see Jaylah sooner rather than later, though, both because she's honestly a more fun character than some of the main ones, and because if a character doesn't recur at least once early on in their lifetime, they're far more likely to be forgotten than make a triumphant return years later. See Lt. Hawk, for instance.

 

[JKM]

I think it speaks volumes they'd bring Kirk's father back from the death rather than exploring a dynamic with the parent that is still alive: his mother.
I even have a feeling Winona Kirk may be more interesting too.. she surely isn't the average mom. His parents were both starfleet officers and his mother gave birth on a spaceship and lost her husband the same day...and then she apparently left her kids to get raised by an uncle or her second husband (depending on the version ) for some years.
Jim Kirk may have idealized his father because maybe he didn't have a big connection to his mother too, with the latter possibly just struggling between being a single parent, a mother and having a career in starfleet.


As for Jaylah, I think that her arc in beyond kind of got closure with her going to the academy to have her own life away from Altamid (with kirk&Co inspiring her to find a purpose here, in contrast with Krall who couldn't fully appreciate it all), and she might still be there when the next movie happens. However, she could always appear in the next one or others, ditto for Carol. They always have the option to bring the new/supporting characters back, they just don't necessarily have to shape their story around the notion they have to give those characters something to do. Especially when they have still (now) 6 recurring characters to handle and also the new characters they need to add to set a new plot in motion.

To me it makes sense. JJ's whole arc has been about Kirk's Daddy issues. If you count the deleted scenes, I imagine the relationship with his mother isn't the best either, which could make for an interesting story if she is still in Starfleet and he had to interact with her on a Mission. We don't know enough about the background of this Kirk in this universe though to say. For instance, was he at Tarsus? I think of the two ideas both would be very interesting to see on film, but it makes sense that it be George Kirk first.

 

[JKM]

If it were for me, I'd totally bring back reboot Sarek too, tbh. And Winona Kirk, and Gaila. Maybe make Chapel and Rand do a cameo too.

It would be hard to bring Gaila back in a believable manner. She was assigned to the Farragut which was blown out of the sky at Vulcan. In the off chance she was still alive and managed to make it off in a pod, I'm sure Nero probably destroyed those too. Or if he didn't and she was in some wreckage that wasn't compromised, anything left would've been pulled into the black hole that was Vulcan. The Enterprise sure didn't have time to beam anyone on board, they were focused on figuring out what was going on, and only had transporter capability long enough to get Kirk/Sulu and the Vulcans Spock went after.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It would be hard to bring Gaila back in a believable manner. She was assigned to the Farragut which was blown out of the sky at Vulcan. In the off chance she was still alive and managed to make it off in a pod, I'm sure Nero probably destroyed those too.

Actually it was never revealed which ship was Gaila's.

As for her survival: There is a red-haired, green-skinned cadet in the final scene where Kirk receives his captaincy, but it's unclear as to whether this is Gaila.

In any case, if she was assigned to any ship other than the Enterprise, then it was probably destroyed at Vulcan. However she could have gotten away in a pod or remained behind in the wreckage (we see lots of it floating around) to await rescue.

 

[JKM]

Actually it was never revealed which ship was Gaila's.

As for her survival: There is a red-haired, green-skinned cadet in the final scene where Kirk receives his captaincy, but it's unclear as to whether this is Gaila.

In any case, if she was assigned to any ship other than the Enterprise, then it was probably destroyed at Vulcan. However she could have gotten away in a pod or remained behind in the wreckage (we see lots of it floating around) to await rescue.

True, it was probably Uhura I was thinking of. I was thinking in that scene they had the cadets split up by ship already. There was another Orion female, there was a deleted scene with Kirk going up to one on, I think it was the Enterprise, apologizing bc he thought it was Gaila, but it wasn't. That was a scene I was glad they cut.

 

[Kemaiku]

Allowing for months to get Jayla back to Earth on one of the ships repaired at Yorktown after Krall stranded them, 4 years of study/graduation, factoring in wanting to join the Enterprise-A crew, her application being reviewed and granted, months to rendevouz with the ship...it better take place more than 5 years later in mid 2268 at least.