Spoilers Dahj

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by TheMadCloner, Jan 24, 2020.

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Is Dahj actually dead?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Reanok

    Reanok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    From those screencaps it definitely looks like Dahj was killed by the Romulan agent.Not beaming to some hidden location.
     
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  2. Blooded

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    Her body was literally coming apart as she was engulfed in the flames of the explosion. She’s gone.

    Those who have said she can’t be dead due to how much time they invested in her backstory - that’s the whole point. She was designed to seem like a big player, only to be killed off early to shock the audience. Common trick now, and worked a treat here.
     
  3. Tim Thomason

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    The Offspring was in 2366, three years before he made that painting. It's interesting that he made a more abstract painting of a hypothetical daughter in 2369, in addition to the above, more exact painting that he showed to Dr. Tainer in 2370.

    I don't think Briones is supposed to look exactly like Lal/Hallie Todd. Otherwise, Picard would've recognized her. But she looks like the 2369 painting, which Picard recognized and Maddox presumably used as a template. So I guess Data conceptualized what another daughter of his would look like, if he ever got around to trying that again.
     
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  4. Reanok

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    I voted yes Dahj is dead. After watching the scene with Picard and Dahj on the roof the romulans attacking her they definitely wanted her dead .
     
  5. eschaton

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    Yeah, it seemed like they were only interested in capturing her alive before she was "activated." Once she had the superpowers, they just wanted her eliminated entirely.
     
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  6. ALF

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    Yeah, I just sort of assumed it was Lal's consciousness or spirit or whatever because she recognized Picard and knew she'd be safe with him. She even says, "I know you" and when he first arrives at the vineyard, she's hoping Picard recognizes her. I thought this was a throwback to The Offspring where Picard is trying his best to protect Lal from the admiral's transfer orders and keep her onboard with Data.
     
  7. Awesome Possum

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if she had been beamed up as the explosion occurred since we only see what Picard can see.
     
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  8. ToyBoxComix

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    The whole thing is odd. Being exploded by acid spit by a guy is odd (was he just, like, holding it in his mouth the whole time?). The supposed lack of security footage is odd. The fact that Picard was knocked out in San Francisco and woke up in France is odd.

    Maybe it's just some weird writing, or maybe the whole thing was faked to cover up her abduction. Maybe Laris and Zhaban are in on it.
     
  9. Spot's Meow

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    I'm on the fence about this. It sure seems like she's dead, but something did seem a little off about the whole thing. Especially Picard waking up on his couch afterward like nothing had happened. Wouldn't he have had major injuries (he was blown back quite a ways) and be healing in a hospital? Shouldn't his companions have been more concerned? Shouldn't they have shown him being more distraught about the whole thing? As I mentioned, something did feel off about it all. Whether that's just not-perfect writing toward the end of the episode, or there's more to the story that we didn't see, I'm not sure.

    I don't know how much I buy the transporter theory, but I could see her mind being "uploaded" into a new host body.
     
  10. Reyman

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    I think she is alive and one of the major plot for the show will be Picard trying to rescue her. and her twin will be the "evil" twin tasked with trying to prevent it.
     
  11. Noname Given

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    The transporter activity, the weapons fire. If personal cloaks can cover all that, it's amazing Earth hasn't been invaded by now.

    I'm also amazed the Police didn't wait until Picard woke up to at least ask him if anything happened (IE - "Did you pass out?", "Were you assaulted in any way by someone?" , etc.) But hey, this is the same Federation police force that doesn't seem to follow up much on 4 bodies in a Boston apartment, with how easily Dahj got around for 12+ hours afterwards with no one noticing her too. ;)
     
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  12. DaveyNY

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    Dahj didn't explode, the phaser rifle did.
    (when its power core became exposed from the acid)

    And someone else mentioned in another thread the Felodesine Chip that Admiral Jarok ingested (The Defector" TNG) might be what we saw that Romulan use.
     
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  13. B. L.

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    These are my thoughts on this from the EP1 thread

     
  14. DaveyNY

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    1) Whoever picked up Jean-Luc from that roof, simply brought him back to the chateau.
    Laris and Zhaban probably had that person put him on the couch.
    (or Zhaban did, he certainly looks strong enough)

    2, 3, 4) This indicates to me that someone in Star Fleet/the Government is in on what's going on.
     
  15. Corran Horn

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    Plus, this way the actress does't get shortchanged either.
     
  16. B. L.

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    Couch seems a weird place. It would make sense if he was in the vineyard and fell/injured, and they hastily brought him inside for triage.

    If he was injured and tended to by authorities, they would have made sure he was stable and informed his servants of his condition, and there would have been time enough for them to set up his bedroom instead.

    The only scenario where he wakes up in his home after that event, and is officially treated by medical personnel, is if he was unconscious for a long period of time. Which still precludes him from waking up on the sofa instead of his bedroom hooked up to some monitoring devices.
     
  17. DaveyNY

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    You're missing the entire main point of that couch scene ...

    NOTHING happened on that roof.

    SO..., apparently Picard just passed out and was brought home by some "Good Samaritan".
    (or so 'THEY' want everybody to believe)

    ;)
     
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  18. B. L.

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    I don't believe I am missing the point. A good Samaritan doesn't work imo.

    Some passerby wouldn't know where he lived, and also wouldn't know how badly he was injured. Even if they did, why wouldn't they take him to the hospital in his unconscious state or call the authorities to get him treatment?

    What I'm saying is there's no mundane reason for him to wake up at home and not the hospital.

    It doesn't add up.
     
  19. DaveyNY

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    Heh ... you still don't get it.
    (and that's OK, it is a very subtle and somewhat complicated scene)



    Who ever showed up after the explosion, doesn't want ANYBODY to know what happened.

    Jean-Luc was picked up immediately, the scene was quickly and very quietly completely cleaned up and he was delivered discretely to the chateau.
    (probably receiving 24th Century medical aid on the way, as well as a sedative)

    My "Good Samaritan" remark was an indicator of that action being part of the massive covert cover-up that is going on.

    Watch the scene again an listen closely to what Laris tells Jean-Luc when he wakes up.
    :techman:
     
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  20. Noname Given

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    ^^^
    If that's the case - then his two Romulan House Servants are in on this whole thing, meaning they're part of the 'Cabal' going after her.:vulcan::whistle: