Dac's NX-01(.5) & more!

[Dac]

Re: Dac's NX-01(.5)

I wonder if the Columbia would also receive the refit that the Enterprise got...

I was thinking the same thing - but then I remembered that SOTL pic where some 24th Century ship finds her remains on some planet. In that, she's still like the bog standard NX-01.

Sure, SOTL isnt canon per se, but then neither is this refit, and it comes from the same line of images :P

 

[Captain Robert April]

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Depends on when she crashed on that desert planet...

 

[Dac]

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Depends on when she crashed on that desert planet...

How? In the picture I'd say its clear she hasn't got the secondary hull. Admittedly, there could be some caveat that one could say that it's buried beneath the sand (which I doubt) or that she ejected the secondary hull to avoid a complete warp core breach (plausible I guess).

 

[sojourner]

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^Maybe it was ripped off during the crash? There could be a miles long debris field behind the remains of the ship.

 

[Dac]

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Possibly...but aside from the fact that the refit mesh didn't exist when that pic was made, apparently she crashed in 2156, and assuming Enterprise was refitted in 2155, the time frame for a refit is pretty slim.

Of course, this is all trying to adhere to canon/fanon, I could just slap the refit hull on the mesh.

Like this

I really can't be assed to redo the NX-01 textures though all over the ship

 

[BolianAuthor]

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Hehe... that's pretty cool! I was just curious to see how the refit NX would look with Columbia markings.

 

[BolianAuthor]

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I just noticed the scale of the TNG craft and people in relation to the ship...

This is a glaring problem, because if even the VOY speedboat shuttle looks that big... I don't see how the NX shuttlepods could fit in the ship, with the system they had for launch/recovery. The Columbia itself should be bigger in this pic.

 

[Dac]

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Yup, I noticed that too. The scaling is way off, either that, or everyone in the future is 12 ft tall.

Haha, I mean, look at that person peering through the starboard window, he has to crouch just to fit underneath the rim of the saucer!

 

[Dac]

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Hell, the scale should have been something closer to this:

(Yes, im showing off. Im quite proud of going from standard columbia to that in around an hour :P)

EDIT: Those tiny grey things are people

 

[Dac]

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How about a version with people you can actually see?

Also, it only recently occured to me that the only shuttle I've made is an old, clunky unfinished and unaccurate TOS Galileo, but its the only one I had, so its in there and its to scaleish.

 

[sojourner]

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I'm not gettin it. What about this image precludes the existence of a secondary hull?

 

[Dac]

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I'm not gettin it. What about this image precludes the existence of a secondary hull?

Well, of course anything I say isnt 100%, like I love to say, its all bullshit :P

Having said that though... Look at the nacelles. The Refit NX class had the outboard grills covered up, plus she had the pins on the front of the bussard collectors. That image lacks both, and while I suppose the pins could have fallen off, there isn't any room for the cooling pipe/warp pipe thingy inside the nacelle cover, whereas its still on the crashed Columbia image.

 

[AstroSmurf]

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BolianAdmiral I noticed the scale discrepancies in the SotL Columbia wreck image more than a year ago when I was compiling information for my deck plan redo. I don't think many people would notice but I did almost immediately. The guy looking in the viewport along the saucer edge is what really gives it away. In scale with the ship he would be nearly ten feet tall!

And based on my calculations, I think your people are just a touch to short Dac. For reference, the space between the bottom lip and the top lip of the saucer edge is roughly 7 feet. But at least you are close. That original SotL shot is way off.

 

[sojourner]

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^Maybe Columbia received it's secondary hull before Enterprise and the nacelle changes you mention weren't part of her refit. Just as Enterprise1.5 never received the newer deflector as seen on Columbia?

 

[Dac]

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^Maybe Columbia received it's secondary hull before Enterprise and the nacelle changes you mention weren't part of her refit. Just as Enterprise1.5 never received the newer deflector as seen on Columbia?

Quite possibly, but your just making up stuff to contradict my made up stuff, so who's really winning here?

Im just saying I don't think the Columbia had the refit based on what evidence we've seen presented to us, plus what I've read about the particular Columbia story that involved it crashing somewhere. There could very well be a secondary hull buried 50 meter's or so below the sand, it could be 50 miles away as a pile of debris and it could equally not be anywhere because Columbia never had it installed. Once again though, were just splitting ends on the especially made up part of a made up series.

But yes, your right. Columbia had the refit, and it's there on my mesh. It's just buried underneath the sand.

 

[BolianAuthor]

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The thing is... even Dac's guy is still too BIG... we know that the NX-Class had some kind of cavernous recovery bay for the shuttlepods... if the people are that big compared to the ship, there's just no room for that kind of setup for the shuttles.

 

[Dac]

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The thing is... even Dac's guy is still too BIG... we know that the NX-Class had some kind of cavernous recovery bay for the shuttlepods... if the people are that big compared to the ship, there's just no room for that kind of setup for the shuttles.

Actually, I made my guys just a bit smaller than the diameter I had the saucer rim docking ports. I can't quite remember, but I suppose people had to duck to get through them, so in that case my guys could stand to be a little bigger.

As for the shuttlebay, Enterprise only had 2 shuttles, plus the Suliban Cell Ship in Season 1. Consider she has 4 hatches spread between 2 bays, that accommodates all 3 with room to spare.

That's not to say they played fast and loose with the interior dimensions on the show. Although i'd say the biggest culprit was the seemingly endless corridors. We don't actually see an extremely long walk between areas on the ship from what I remember, but I don't see how you can walk in a straight line for more than 30 seconds without hitting the edge of the ship when your on the rim deck.

 

[AstroSmurf]

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^ Actually the docking ports are short. The crew would have to duck down to go through them. And BA is correct. The launch bay's lower level is actually to big for the available space. The upper level works just fine though. And they are also facing the wrong way for it to work correctly. The shuttles should have been facing aft for the control booth on the upper level to fit.

(I really should keep my mouth shut and maintain the illusion for everyone. The trouble is I have lived with this vessel for four and a half years now. I know her and all her little inconsistencies to well at this point.)

 

[Dac]

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Here's a quick example i've knocked up.

(Excuse the horrendously nonexistant interior)

Ok, assuming the rim Is 7 ft, that person is around 6 ft (Yes, I know the dimensions of the character doesn't quite work, but I can't say no to a blonde). This is inside of the launch bay I roughed out, and it covers all 4 hatches with room to spare. Admittedly, I have used a super wide angle lens to fit it all in view, but the dimensions should be same.

Right, now, from that, I think its pretty obvious that this 6 footish person can fit in the shuttlepod (said shuttlepod can also fit through the doors with some breathing room), and fit in both decks of the shuttlebay. From this, i'd say AstroSmurf is spot on with his 7 foot rim deck conclusion.

 

[Dac]

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^ Actually the docking ports are short. The crew would have to duck down to go through them. And BA is correct. The launch bay's lower level is actually to big for the available space. The upper level works just fine though. And they are also facing the wrong way for it to work correctly. The shuttles should have been facing aft for the control booth on the upper level to fit.

(I really should keep my mouth shut and maintain the illusion for everyone. The trouble is I have lived with this vessel for four and a half years now. I know her and all her little inconsistencies to well at this point.)

Oh dear, have I created a version that works?! :P

EDIT: Oh wait, is your 7 foot rim the ENTIRE rim, or just the in between cutout bit? If its the in between bit, my shuttlebay works. If not, then that shuttlepod just got awfully cramped