Cut the quips

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by F. King Daniel, Sep 5, 2022.

  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    Could be they give us a new engineer every season until some Scotsman shows up.
     
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  2. Aragorn

    Aragorn Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Well technically she is filling in until some guy with a Scottish accent takes over, but that could be years.
     
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  3. CorporalCaptain

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    I don't care whether she quips or not; I'm elated that Kane is coming aboard.
     
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  4. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Commodore Commodore

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    I think when it comes down to it then that's just the tone of this show. Picard is for Glacial, Discovery is for Feelings, Lower Decks is for Fun and Prodigy is for Kids.

    Strange New Worlds is for Quips.

    Though I strongly disagree with the idea that any of this is anything to do with Marvel or even that the MCU is somehow a monolith (when in fact every movie/series differs in tone. Moon Knight wasn't a quip a minute show), it actually wouldn't do Star Trek any harm to tap into that audience with one of it's shows.
     
  5. Ianburns252

    Ianburns252 Commander Red Shirt

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    What about hi jinks?
     
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  6. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Garth of Algar Premium Member

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    A full bowl.
     
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  7. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Eh, if we all thought the same life would be boring.

    We'd have about 11 Kelvin universe films though.
     
  8. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Moderator

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    In TOS, the computer kept called Kirk, "Dear..." for an episode.
     
  9. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Moderator

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    Recurring character. Similar to Hemmer's frequency of appearances, I would guess.

    You really need to rewatch TOS. ;)

    Predictable? For you, perhaps.
     
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  10. Donald G

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    Ah, yes, the hyperserious, ultrarealistic, quip-a-licious Kelvin films.
     
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  11. WarpTenLizard

    WarpTenLizard Captain Captain

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    Kirk and friends didn't do that on TOS? The quipping seems pretty on par with "Star Trek's" traditional semi-campy tone. DS9 and "Voyager" did the same. The only show that took itself too seriously for quips was TNG.
     
  12. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    They work better in the movies, ditto Marvel. Maybe it's the writers.
     
  13. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Indeed, as well as many other shows throughout history. Star Trek definitely has loved it's quips, especially from McCoy, or characters like Tom Paris.
     
  14. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

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    Cut the quips?
    Here's the scissors ✂️
     
  15. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Magneto Was Right Moderator

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    SNW’s humor is its best quality.
     
  16. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

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    Worf is quite quippy when you think about it.
     
  17. Greg Cox

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    As was Q, come to think of it.

    One of the things I enjoyed about writing Q back in the day was that I could give Q all the snarky dialogue that I couldn't really give Picard or Geordi or Troi and the rest, who were rather too earnest for that.
     
  18. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

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    Q is probably the only character that could make a letter Q pun in dialogue and be appropriate.
     
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    Most of the examples I've run into from people who don't like the quips are people saying they don't like the quips coming from Ortegas.

    I think that there are probably, broadly-speaking, two cohorts of people who don't like the quips from Ortegas:

    1) People who don't like hearing quips as consistent responses from subordinate officers to their commanding officers in scenes where the Starfleet hierarchy is most directly at play (i.e., people replying to the captain with a quip on the bridge in a tense situation); and,

    2) People who are, consciously or unconsciously, upset because a woman is responding with a lack of sufficient deference to a man.

    For folks with the first kind of response, I get it, but I think it's an example of expecting SNW to be a slightly different kind of show than it is. The role of the characters' internal hierarchy is very important in workplace procedurals, which most of Star Trek is a version of. But SNW is trying to take the Star Trek procedural formula and tweak it a bit; the Starfleet hierarchy is still in play, but SNW depicts these characters as being a little bit less dedicated to their roles in the hierarchy than past ST shows. So, yes, we get Ortegas making sarcastic quips to Captain Pike -- but that is presented in the context of profound implicit trust between Lieutenant Ortegas and Captain Pike. It's his leadership style, how he runs his team.

    For folks in the second cohort... Not much I think you can say to them, except that I hope they give consideration to the possibility of overcoming unconscious biases.
     
  20. RandyS

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    :rolleyes: