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Crossover ideas

Carpathia86

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To my fellow Trek fans, I have something I'd like to run past you. I had some ideas for some Star Trek crossovers that I may write, one day, and wanted to see what other fans thought.
My first thought for a crossover would be between Star Trek and Superman. I have no idea how this would work or which series would work best for it, but it could sure be entertaining.
The other crossover idea I had was from a dream I had the other night. The dream was of the TOS crew meeting E.T. How this could play out could be in an episode of my series that I write in my spare time. Part of my series's story arc is that my Enterprise is going to be exploring the Andromeda galaxy for about three years. I recall reading in the E.T. novelization that his homeworld is in that galaxy. If so, the Enterprise could encounter his race.
What are some thoughts on this?
 
Star Trek and Superman
I wonder.

It wouldn't be a first contact because Superman (if part of the Trek universe) would be well known having arrived on Earth centuries prior. There is some thought that Superman might be immortal, and if so would be alive in the 23rd and 24th centuries.
 
I like Superman but I can't quite see him in Star Trek. Superman is a character whose existence changes everything. Think of the Senate hearing in Superman v Batman, when they talk about the world being different now that he is here. It's like everything has changed, and Earth's approach to every challenge is affected by the simple fact that Superman is available to help us. Star Trek's future history has never taken account of that, and it's clear Superman doesn't exist in the ST universe.

My pet crossover idea is that Q hurls the USS Voyager into the realm of classic Battlestar Galactica. Voyager's technology and power are leaps beyond Galactica's, and could easily blow the pogees out of a Cylon fleet, but Janeway feels ethically compelled to mull it over endlessly. What if the Cylons are sentient? Do they have as much right to life as anybody? Is it racist to favor the last remnants of humanity over a machine race in this alternate universe? And then the Cylons stage a massive attack.
 
Couldn't Superman be introduced as a fictional character (copyright issues aside) in the Trek universe the way Moriarty was? That is as a hologram character.

When I was reading the comments in "A Hologram in an Android Body" thread, it occurred to me that instead of trying to put Moriarty's holographic essence into an android body, why not do so with Superman's essence. Wouldn't it be better to give an android body to a character who was virtuous instead of a criminal mastermind like Moriarty?

Geordi could create a hologram program in the fictitious Metropolis in the same way he did with Sherlock Holmes' London, and to make Superman more capable than Data.

In any case, the hologram offers a lot of possibilities with (IRL) fictional characters. But I understand your point, crossovers but not in the hologram context.


I would love to see Picard and crew having to deal with the horrors of the Alien xenomorphs. Since they can't be reasoned with, will Picard finally meet his match? Riker or Troi getting impregnated. Will Data come up with a technological fix to this problem?
 
I would love to see Picard and crew having to deal with the horrors of the Alien xenomorphs. Since they can't be reasoned with, will Picard finally meet his match? Riker or Troi getting impregnated. Will Data come up with a technological fix to this problem?

Hmm...fascinating. I suppose it could be done...heck, I may even want to take a crack at writing that one, myself.

But what do y'all think of the E.T. idea?
 
ET has often been presented as part of the Star Wars universe (in that his species is seen in the Galactic Senate and Legends had all sorts of details on them), although this is conflict with the Yoda costume and other Star Wars merchandise in the ET movie.

Making ET a Star Trek character could be a gateway to the Star Wars universe. I wonder if that would make the Star Wars Galaxy into Andromeda. Maybe the Kelvans can talk about the ancient Empire that once ruled over them before being taken down by teddy bears.
 
Actually, I could see a Star Trek crossover with Starman. They seem like they might fit well, & it would be interesting to find out Vulcans hadn't been the 1st people to make 1st contact with Earth. That someone else had done it, but it went on to be forgotten or less recorded
 
Fascinating...I had never considered Starman as crossover material, before. Or what if it was both Starman and Close Encounters of the Third Kind? I dunno...I'm just brainstorming, here.
 
I did a YouTube comic strip that crossed over with Alien, Babylon 5, Farscape, Alien Nation, Predator, Andromeda, and I even managed to squeeze in a cameo from Twiki. Still planning to shoe horn in Doctor Who and the Black Hole.
 
Fascinating...I had never considered Starman as crossover material, before. Or what if it was both Starman and Close Encounters of the Third Kind? I dunno...I'm just brainstorming, here.

Just being silly, but mixing Trek with 70/80s encounter movies that wouldn’t intefer with first contact continuity, so could viably cross over.

Cocoon 1&2
Close Encounters
Star Man
Batteries not Included
ET
Mac & Me
Flight of the Navigator
Indiannna Jones 4
The Abyss
Highlander 2
The Explorers

Would be nice to see any of those races turn up in Trek.

Also like to imagine that number Johnny five is still about in c23. How that reconciles with Data, I’m not sure, but Johnny 5 had citizenship already, Data had to fight for his.
 
Star Trek and the Expanse perhaps.

I think that a Starfleet ship would be horrified to see what kind of mess Humans in the Expanse made of themselves by not abandoning monetary based economy along with unsustainable practices of not redistributing resources properly and still prohibiting access to basics, generating greed and various social problems that still exist today (essentially, not focusing on technical efficiency, sustainability and problem solving but on cost efficiency, consumption and profits).

That, and I bet that a Federation ship would be able to study the protomolecule and its properties (without trying to turn it into a weapon or eating away at the crew) in a way that the primitive monkeys in the Expanse couldn't dream of.
The Federation was actually on the verge of creating its own artificial wormhole during DS9... though in fairness, the Trek Humans still managed to develop Warp and very powerful impulse engines (that put the Epstein drive to ridiculous shame).

Sad thing is, the Expanse humans have surpassed scarcity much like Trek Humans have a long time ago (so did we actually - decades ago)... only, the Trek humans (out of the three realities - our own, the Expanse and Trek) actually had the sensibility to abandon primitive socio-economic practices and implement their technology in a socially and environmentally responsible capacity.
Also, elimination of money likely contributed to better/faster technologies in Trek (along later on with collaboration between multiple species) because instead of asking 'how much does it cost', they'd be asking themselves if they have the resources and technical know-how to do something fast in a small time frame... to which the answer is always yes.

Heck, even before the foundation of the Federation, Trek Humans already developed Transporters, impulse engines, were using hydroponics and aeroponics as an underlying basis along with protein sequencers (more advanced version of 3d printers likely).

I look at the Expanse, and while I like it... I find a distinctive lack of progress (lack of exponential development) and sticking to an outdated socio-economic practice... utterly ludicrous.
 
Well, I think a Trek crossover with The Questor Tapes is a natural. Good ol' Nonnien Soonge stumbled on the lost works of Emil Vaslovik and was inspired to create his own androids.

Back in the 70's I used to think that the Genesis II and Planet Earth movies could have been part of the Trek timeline. Of course this is when the pre-TOS timeline was a lost less defined than it is now.
 
I like Superman but I can't quite see him in Star Trek. Superman is a character whose existence changes everything. Think of the Senate hearing in Superman v Batman, when they talk about the world being different now that he is here. It's like everything has changed, and Earth's approach to every challenge is affected by the simple fact that Superman is available to help us. Star Trek's future history has never taken account of that, and it's clear Superman doesn't exist in the ST universe.

I too don't believe in Superman or any other superhero being in Star Trek, although this crossover (and this crossover) has happend, and the heroes and their organization (plus the heroes of the other crossover) fits into the Star Trek universe quite well. I'd much rather have a crossover between certain sci fi universes and the Star Trek one (I'll mention those in a later post as soon as I can figure out what ones would fit on my own.)

My pet crossover idea is that Q hurls the USS Voyager into the realm of classic Battlestar Galactica.

You don't necessarily need Q to do this, any kind of hole in space/time would suffice (or an accidental use of slipstream-say, during an experiment by the Voyager crew to get them home-could do it too.)

Voyager's technology and power are leaps beyond Galactica's, and could easily blow the pogees out of a Cylon fleet, but Janeway feels ethically compelled to mull it over endlessly.

IMHO, Voyager's tech would be outclassed by the Colonial's and that of the Cylons, and Voyager would be lucky to survive a Cylon attack by just one squadron of Cylon Raiders, let alone an attack by a Cylon basestar, even if Janeway were not to mull over intervening endlessly. Janeway would have to be on her toes militarily, and maybe get Seven to use some Borg tech to bolster Voyager's systems so that the Voyager crew would not get wasted by the Cylons (I'm of the belief that the energy weapons of both the Colonials and the Cylons is the of the same strength as that of Starfleet's, or of the same destructive power in any energy rating of the Klingons and the Romulans-and this also would also be the similar thing if a crossover were to happen with Star Wars, and a Federation ship were to face the Empire or the First Order-I doubt that any Starfleet ship, including the Galaxy, Ambassador, Excelsior, or Nebula classes, could just overpower the First Order or the Empire [and I'm a fan of both franchises.])

BTW, here's a size comparison chart of all the various sci-fi universes's ships:
scifi_starship_size_comparison_by_euderion-d9gbjeo.jpg


As I said, I don't see the Federation Starfleet posing a danger to anybody from the Star Wars or the classic (1978-1979) Battlestar Galactica universe (of course, a Starfleet ship could beat an Imperial/First Order one, or a Cylon fighter squadron/Basestar, but the commander has to be very, very good at naval warfare tactics. (and then, there's always this ship...;) )

What if the Cylons are sentient? Do they have as much right to life as anybody? Is it racist to favor the last remnants of humanity over a machine race in this alternate universe? And then the Cylons stage a massive attack.

Those are interesting questions to ponder. Of course, IF Janeway does decide to commit to fighting the Cylons because she and Chakotey believes that they're nothing but a bunch of bullies, everything I said about unconventional naval tactics and tech advances/enhancements for Voyager will have to be dealt with.
 
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I too don't believe in Superman or any other superhero being in Star Trek, although this crossover (and this crossover) has happend, and the heroes and their organization (plus the heroes of the other crossover) fits into the Star Trek universe quite well. I'd much rather have a crossover between certain sci fi universes and the Star Trek one (I'll mention those in a later post as soon as I can figure out what ones would fit on my own.)



You don't necessarily need Q to do this, any kind of hole in space/time would suffice (or an accidental use of slipstream-say, during an experiment by the Voyager crew to get them home-could do it too.)



IMHO, Voyager's tech would be outclassed by the Colonial's and that of the Cylons, and Voyager would be lucky to survive a Cylon attack by just one squadron of Cylon Raiders, let alone an attack by a Cylon basestar, even if Janeway were not to mull over intervening endlessly. Janeway would have to be on her toes militarily, and maybe get Seven to use some Borg tech to bolster Voyager's systems so that the Voyager crew would not get wasted by the Cylons (I'm of the belief that the energy weapons of both the Colonials and the Cylons is the of the same strength as that of Starfleet's, or of the same destructive power in any energy rating of the Klingons and the Romulans-and this also would also be the similar thing if a crossover were to happen with Star Wars, and a Federation ship were to face the Empire or the First Order-I doubt that any Starfleet ship, including the Galaxy, Ambassador, Excelsior, or Nebula classes, could just overpower the First Order or the Empire [and I'm a fan of both franchises.])

BTW, here's a size comparison chart of all the various sci-fi universes's ships:
scifi_starship_size_comparison_by_euderion-d9gbjeo.jpg


As I said, I don't see the Federation Starfleet posing a danger to anybody from the Star Wars or the classic (1978-1979) Battlestar Galactica universe (of course, a Starfleet ship could beat an Imperial/First Order one, or a Cylon fighter squadron/Basestar, but the commander has to be very, very good at naval warfare tactics. (and then, there's always this ship...;) )



Those are interesting questions to ponder. Of course, IF Janeway does decide to commit to fighting the Cylons because she and Chakotey believes that they're nothing but a bunch of bullies, everything I said about unconventional naval tactics and tech advances/enhancements for Voyager will have to be dealt with.

You do realize that size of ships doesn't dictate how powerful they will be.
We have on-screen evidence that 24th century starships from the Federation would handily beat Galactica and SW universe ships (probably even Andromeda universe ships and most in Stargate).

When it comes to firepower, the Federation was seen using multi gigaton to teraton weaponry - these are the same people that created a Genesis device which was capable of creating a planet in the 23rd century.

Star Wars has 0 on-screen canonical data indicating its anywhere close to gigaton level firepower (for the ISD or any other ships - plus the novels are NOT canon)... in fact, all canonical evidence suggests barely low megaton to kiloton capacity if anything else.
Only the Death Star was a massive station capable of actually blowing up planets, and that thing needed a ridiculous amount of machinery on a large scale.
The Federation needs just 1 modified torpedo to also destroy a planet if they wish.

Federation ships employ a wide array of subspace technologies to augment their weapons beyond what simple M/AM reactions allow - plus, we've seen them using those weapons at extreme ranges (about 300 000 km for torpedoes and about 150 000 km for phasers - that's for the Nebula class starship - the galaxy class was likely featuring more advanced weapons).

Even the Andromeda ascendant barely comes close with its enhancements (except in maybe weapons range).
But also, the Andromeda comes from a reality in which space-faring civilizations don't use FTL communications, no transporters (both of which remained a proverbial 'dream' through the series)... and directed energy weapons are seldom reserved for more advanced species like the Magog.
Plus, phasers can easily intercept incoming missiles like those from 300 000 km away (in other words, the Andromeda's weapons don't pose a threat).

From canonical data alone, the Trek universe Federation easily wields technologies that surpass most things from Wars, Galactica and Andromeda.
Also, I would find it incredulous that the UFP with its advanced understanding of energy manipulation and conversion (with replicators and transporters) would be outmatched by those 3 different universes that don't have those technologies.

Hyperdrive doesn't have to be anything fast, especially if we're talking about a micro-galaxy that's extremely dense and has a radius of 300 Ly's... at which point Hyperdrive would need to be as fast as Warp 9.9 (21 473 times LS) to go from one end of it to the other in 5 days - also, Warp was seen to be capable of much faster velocities.
Plus, even if its much faster, the Wars galaxy looks to be primitive at large due to its use of an outdated socio-economic model.

Galactica and Andromeda may have an advantage with jumping technology and Slipstream.
However, Voyager also brought back more advanced version of Slipstream (enhanced with Borg technology) which allowed a speed of 10 000 Ly's in 1 minute (its very likely SF with its larger assortment of resources would be able to stabilize it - but we know the engine was tested molecule by molecule, which makes it ridiculous that it would result in problems, and the only issue here is the writers wanted to keep the ship in the DQ - otherwise, no more show).
And while that velocity is probably still slower than 'slipstream' from Andromeda, its easily fast enough to get from Milky Way to Andromeda galaxy in about 4 hrs of travel... and it likely beats the jumping tech from Galactica.

Galactica and Cylons use primitive weapons technologies such as nuclear bombs.
Photon torpedoes easily go into the 500 megaton range in early TNG, can be used at FTL, have tracking capabilities, and can be equipped with shields... but we've also seen phasers burrowing through thousands of km of planetary crust in seconds (which requires gigaton level of firepower), along with the enterprise-D removing the icy exterior of an ateroid that formed around the alien archive (in which Worf used 10% yield - resulting in about 15-25 gigatons per second).

The Defiant by comparison had enough firepower to turn the Founder homeworld into a cinder... and a 30 ship fleet of Romulans and Cardassian warships induced 30% of planetary crust in an opening salvo (suggesting terraton level weapons - which even the Stargate ships didn't really have - except possibly the Asgard - they might be able to match the UFP in terms of weapons - they certainly surpass it in FTL speed, but weapons would be more tricky... plasma beam weapons behave more like phasers if anything else in damage and effect).

I'm sorry, but neither Wars, not Andromeda, and certainly not Galactica have been witnessed to posses anything of this caliber (at least not on their main capital ships which are used at large).

As for sun-killer torpedoes from Andromeda... meh, the Federation learned a long time ago how to destroy a star... and we've seen it happen in TNG with a trilithium torpedo... twice... but the Federation doesn't go around blowing up stars... and just because they can, doesn't mean they should (nor does it say they are weak on technological basis if they don't - they simply prefer other less destructive methodologies).

For that matter, Farscape is also incredibly weak technologically (I mean the Peacekeepers and the Scarrans).
 
I look at the Expanse, and while I like it... I find a distinctive lack of progress (lack of exponential development) and sticking to an outdated socio-economic practice... utterly ludicrous.
The Expanse does a much better job at showing human diversity than Trek does. Star Trek, let's be honest, despite all the talk about infinite diversity in infinite combinations and representing a future for everyone, really is dominated by white men in authority. The Expanse does a much better job representing non-white humans and females in authority. Also, by the end of its first season The Expanse already showed openly gay characters, while up until two years ago, Star Trek was only allowing homosexuality in the evil and wrong Mirror Universe.
 
It's generally my preference to move cross-franchise threads to the neutral territory of SF&F. I started out giving this one the benefit of the doubt, but as it's moving into "who can beat up who" territory, well....
 
The Expanse does a much better job at showing human diversity than Trek does. Star Trek, let's be honest, despite all the talk about infinite diversity in infinite combinations and representing a future for everyone, really is dominated by white men in authority. The Expanse does a much better job representing non-white humans and females in authority. Also, by the end of its first season The Expanse already showed openly gay characters, while up until two years ago, Star Trek was only allowing homosexuality in the evil and wrong Mirror Universe.

Looking at when Trek was made, and when the Expase was made, its only evident that both would reflect certain aspects of diversity as it was visible in cultures and times from which the writers originated.
Trek was made at an earlier time, ergo it had various 'constraints' and was considered a 'family show', so the producers needed to be careful on what to show... the Expanse by comparison was made at a much later date, and was not advertised as a 'family show'.

As Trek progressed, so did inclusiveness/diversity. It featured a female captain (Janeway), a black captain (Sisko)... and while homosexuality was avoided, I just look at it as something that no one would bat an eye on (such as Sulu being gay in ST Beyond - no one batted an eye because it was a non issue).

Besides, I was referring to technological and socio-economic progression.
The Expanse humans are socio-economically and technologically primitive for 23rd century.
Trek came much closer in extrapolating exponential progression and returns not to mention elimination of money and distributing developed abundance to everyone, however, even Trek didn't portray full blown automation and various technologies that would have been in widespread use by the late 21st century, nevermind the 22nd, 23rd or the 24th.
 
As Trek progressed, so did inclusiveness/diversity. It featured a female captain (Janeway), a black captain (Sisko)... and while homosexuality was avoided, I just look at it as something that no one would bat an eye on (such as Sulu being gay in ST Beyond - no one batted an eye because it was a non issue).
Star Trek didn't even really make an attempt to start showing women in authority until Jeri Taylor took over TNG in its fifth season and asked the question, "why aren't there any women in the chain of command" a question which according to Ron Moore had never occurred to anyone before that. That's why the later seasons went and had Dr Crusher or Counselor Troi taking command of the bridge, despite the fact that a medical officer and a therapist shouldn't be able to take command, regardless if they took a test where they order holographic Geordi La Forge to his death.

Okay, so DS9 gave us Sisko and Kira in command positions, and Voyager gave us Janeway. How many other Captains and Admirals are there who aren't white men in the period of 1966-2005? 18 out of 65 Captains featured on screen. Admirals? 21 out of 73 Just slightly below 30% for each.
 
Star Trek didn't even really make an attempt to start showing women in authority until Jeri Taylor took over TNG in its fifth season and asked the question, "why aren't there any women in the chain of command" a question which according to Ron Moore had never occurred to anyone before that. That's why the later seasons went and had Dr Crusher or Counselor Troi taking command of the bridge, despite the fact that a medical officer and a therapist shouldn't be able to take command, regardless if they took a test where they order holographic Geordi La Forge to his death.

Okay, so DS9 gave us Sisko and Kira in command positions, and Voyager gave us Janeway. How many other Captains and Admirals are there who aren't white men in the period of 1966-2005? 18 out of 65 Captains featured on screen. Admirals? 21 out of 73 Just slightly below 30% for each.

You do realize that Holden is a white guy on the Expanse and he's a lead character (Naomi being a single black female representing a belter).
Also, homosexuality in the Expanse is not exactly visible at the forefront with any of the main cast, its largely in the background (if you wish to talk about that)... except in Season 3 with the female pastor, and it also seems to be a non issue much like it is in Trek.
Seriously, newest Trek doesn't have an issue portraying a large array of diversity... ST: Discovery has a black Vulcan Admiral, a female Admiral.
Heck, in TNG, we saw a black female Admiral - but I'm hardly going to name everything.

As I said, each show portrays things depending on the time frame they are produced.
My main point about the Expanse was about the primitiveness of the Expanse humans from a socio-economic and technological point of view and prohibiting access to basics via money and not using more useful (and pre-existing) self sufficient technologies that would afford each human anywhere in the solar system a high standard of living.

Trek did away with a system that generates artificial scarcity by showing Humanity growing out of its infancy and using their science and technology in the late 21st century to start creating a cohesive and inclusive society and a socio-economic system that is based on cooperation and equitable distribution of resources, making sure people are educated, and eliminating poverty and disease (all of which could have been achieved in real life too for decades now).

The Expanse humans are still playing monopoly... it doesn't make them interesting... in fact, they are just repeating the same nonsense over and over again virtually not learning anything, and its getting tiresome. Still making ridiculous assumptions, no attempt to get down to the real cause... etc.
 
IMO Star Trek isn't the kind of world that plays well with crossovers. Its a world with very particular story logic.

Something that might work, if I had to design a crossover, is to bring Star Trek people back in time to some contemporary show that shows the real world with real world problems. I mainly like this idea because I think the optimism of Star Trek is something the real world sorely lacks right now and I want to connect that optimism to the real world.
 
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