Court Martial RM has some of the best images of the series!
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Agreed. The work was put into the details. The initial flybys showing the dmgd Enterprise had alot of the hull marking apparently dmgd as well, particularly on the banner and registry number on the nacelle.
Also, I can't particularly recall, but I believe this is the first time I noticed Attorney Shaw had a gold bit of piping going around the neck of her uniform. Not anything related to the sfx, just the remastering itself.
Also, I can't particularly recall, but I believe this is the first time I noticed Attorney Shaw had a gold bit of piping going around the neck of her uniform. Not anything related to the sfx, just the remastering itself.
Boy, I really hope they rerelease season 1R in normal DVD. I've caught a few of them on TV, but not nearly enough. These shots look amazing.
Tried to watch it yesterday. The syndication cuts were just too much for me.
I loved the new opticals, especially the opening flyby with Denise Okuda in a redshirt briefly visible in the window.
I was kind of hoping they'd show more air trams and shuttles in the air over Starbase 11 seeing how busy bases like these are supposed to be on a regular basis but what the team did do was entertaining enough.
I was kind of hoping they'd show more air trams and shuttles in the air over Starbase 11 seeing how busy bases like these are supposed to be on a regular basis but what the team did do was entertaining enough.
The new FX shots were very nice.
One syndication cut that was particularly jarring was when the prosecution tried to interrupt the listing of Kirk's medals. The lines from Cogley were cut. It showed the prosecutor saying she concedes Kirk inestimable record followed by the judge asking the computer to continue, which messed up that scene (as well as removing one of the best moments of the episode). This part used to be in the previous syndication versions, but I guess it had to be sacrificed for the ever increasing commercial time. I wish they had picked some other scene to cut.
One syndication cut that was particularly jarring was when the prosecution tried to interrupt the listing of Kirk's medals. The lines from Cogley were cut. It showed the prosecutor saying she concedes Kirk inestimable record followed by the judge asking the computer to continue, which messed up that scene (as well as removing one of the best moments of the episode). This part used to be in the previous syndication versions, but I guess it had to be sacrificed for the ever increasing commercial time. I wish they had picked some other scene to cut.
Wow you're not kidding. I particularly like the Starbase shots.
Here's another great one courtesy of TrekMovie.
I had a problem with this image. The circular buildings in the foreground appear to be 1-story thick at the rim. That would made the tall building on the right 15-20 stories tall. But they superimposed some folks walking inside the tall building, sized to make it look like an 8-story building. The scale of the starbase was thrown totally off. One of the few times I had to rewind to make sure what I was seeing. Probably wouldn't have bothered me, if it wasn't such an iconic image from Star Trek....
No, you see, that tower is actually the embassy of the planet Giganta VII...
But yeah, I agree with you -- they totally screwed up the scale there.
Also, the angle of the sunlight shining on the ringed moon is wrong. Compare the height of the upper edge of the ring to the shadow it casts on the planet, and you'll see that the sun should actually be a bit above the horizontal on the left. Which means it shouldn't yet have set below the horizon, so the scene should still be daylit.
But yeah, I agree with you -- they totally screwed up the scale there.
Also, the angle of the sunlight shining on the ringed moon is wrong. Compare the height of the upper edge of the ring to the shadow it casts on the planet, and you'll see that the sun should actually be a bit above the horizontal on the left. Which means it shouldn't yet have set below the horizon, so the scene should still be daylit.
I hope I don't seem completely ignorant by asking this, but do the DVD's include the full episodes (which, I assume, would include mostly stuff without too many additional effects).
I wonder how many people never caught Denise Okuda in the Enterprise window. Without screen captures and forums like this a lot of fans likely missed that little treat.
Yes, the remastered episodes are complete and uncut on DVD. And in fact there are episodes where new FX footage has been removed for the syndication cuts (for instance, a lot of the new starship/jet footage from "Tomorrow is Yesterday" was cut for broadcast).
The other problem with this image is that the gas giant has moved. The moon that this starbase is on should probably be tidelocked.Wow you're not kidding. I particularly like the Starbase shots.
Here's another great one courtesy of TrekMovie.
I had a problem with this image. The circular buildings in the foreground appear to be 1-story thick at the rim. That would made the tall building on the right 15-20 stories tall. But they superimposed some folks walking inside the tall building, sized to make it look like an 8-story building. The scale of the starbase was thrown totally off. One of the few times I had to rewind to make sure what I was seeing. Probably wouldn't have bothered me, if it wasn't such an iconic image from Star Trek....
I don't really get this impression. Sure, the cylindrar building at the foreground should be one story tall - that is, the story that has the square windows, plus a set of narrow skylights close to the domed ceiling. The other mushroom things seem to be shaped so much unlike a useful house that they probably don't have a story structure or habitable volume or anything like that, and are only about three stories tall overall.
Unless there's a tall mountain range to the left, of course.
No, seriously, forks. The terrain is shown to be quite mountaneous. And the earlier establishing shot, of the avenue where a couple of people walk, also shows the sun well above the horizon yet the city in darkness.
While most of the big moons of Jupiter and Saturn are tidally locked to their gas giants, the "gas giant" here is anything but - you can see distinct craters on the surface of that bright thing on the sky! It's a rock, and a very small one at that, not a gas giant at all. The rock on which the starbase sits is probably bigger than that, and possibly is the centerpiece in the ballet that features at least three-four orbiting rocks: the one with the rings, and the two-three even smaller (or at least more distant) ones that share the sky with it in the second shot.
Whether the small rock could plausibly have a well-defined set of rings is another question. There's no physical law against the existence of rings even around the tiniest objects, even though such phenomena are probably even more short-lived around small planets than they are around large ones. But wouldn't the rings be massively disrupted by the great proximity of the starbase planet?
There is always also the chance that all the objects we see here are moons to some unseen gas giant, explaining how so may bright dots can appear so close to each other. Perhaps all of them are indeed tidally locked to the center object? Perhaps the ringed moon frequently loses and re-sprouts those rings thanks to getting tugged by other moons passing by?
Timo Saloniemi
Hmm... I was going to argue, but then I took another look at the original, unmodified Whitlock painting:
http://img.trekmovie.com/tosrem/courtmartial/old_tosr015_02.JPG
If you look at the bottom window, second from the right, in the rectangular tower, you see what's pretty clearly a humanoid shape on the same scale as those in the CBS Digital version. And the hints of interior detail through the windows do suggest offices on the same scale. I sort of assumed that CBS Digital had added that interior detail, but it was there in the original.
Unless there's a tall mountain range to the left, of course.
No, seriously, forks. The terrain is shown to be quite mountaneous. And the earlier establishing shot, of the avenue where a couple of people walk, also shows the sun well above the horizon yet the city in darkness.
I thought of that, but the sky is too dark for that to be the case. Go outside around twilight, and you'll see that the sky appears fairly bright for a little while after the sun falls below the actual horizon. If it's just behind some distant obstruction like a mountain, you won't get direct sunlight, but there will still be plenty of scattered illumination from the sky.
I think that earlier shot you're referring to is this one:
http://img.trekmovie.com/tosrem/courtmartial/new_tosr015_04.jpg
In it, the sky looks like the sun has just set. There's no sign of it being "well above the horizon." And in the shot we're discussing, the sky is darker and the ringed moon is now on the horizon. (Which is paradoxical if the scene is only hours later, since it would presumably set in the west, but since it's nearly full, it must be opposite the sun in the sky. So it would have to be rising in the second shot, meaning it would be nearly a day later.)
Probably they would. Also, they'd be unlikely to have such a neatly divided appearance like Saturn's rings, since that's the result of having dozens of shepherd moons between the rings delineating their sections, as well as of the complex gravitational interactions of the entire Saturnian moon system. Smaller-scale rings would probably be more just an undifferentiated hoop.
All in all, it's a very fanciful tableau.
I like the shot with the ringed moon on the horizon, but I too had issues with it. First it is far darker than it appears it should be, especially considering the amount of moonlight it seems to be reflecting onto the foreground (which of course is just a reuse of the original sunset image.) I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to horizon haze, it just looks... extraordinarily dim. Also, it is clearly a re-use of the previous high-in-the-sky, night moon image, photoshopped into the scene. Some of the details match almost perfectly. I hadn't actually noticed the shadow and light direction before, but now that it has been pointed out, it does stand out a bit. As for the rings, the original painting that showed the ringed object had a much fuzzier, less organized ring system. Not sure if the original painter was taking real world physics in mind or just trying to create an other worldly mood. That was the daylight version of Starbase 11 seen from the ground looking up. I don't know if they used that one at all in this episode (uncut or syndicated version,) but it is featured in The Menagerie, and they spruced that one up pretty well too.
Still, I really love the Starbase 11 work. The original versions are some of my favorites and I think the remastered versions have really done them justice.
Still, I really love the Starbase 11 work. The original versions are some of my favorites and I think the remastered versions have really done them justice.
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