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[Catarina]

Not the demon couple.

And hey, as sappy as Rascals was I liked that silly episode. I'm not sure I'd share the same feeling if they had rehashed it in Voyager as it was TNG esque as it was. although kid Janeway, seven, Torres along side Naomi saving the day might be worth the escape from business as usual.

 

[hux]

Silver blood Janeway ignored her officers and continued to dismiss anything that didn't suit her agenda. She further endangered the crew by being unilateral in all decisions despite knowing they would further harm the crew. She self righteously condemned her crew to death because she refused to listen, refused to accept what she was and refused to put her crew before her own erratic self desires

Meanwhile Chakotay just stood there like a damp stick

So yeah.........they were perfect copies

 

[kirkfan]

Silver blood Janeway ignored her officers and continued to dismiss anything that didn't suit her agenda. She further endangered the crew by being unilateral in all decisions despite knowing they would further harm the crew. She self righteously condemned her crew to death because she refused to listen, refused to accept what she was and refused to put her crew before her own erratic self desires

Meanwhile Chakotay just stood there like a damp stick

So yeah.........they were perfect copies

No argument there.

 

[Catarina]

Silver blood Janeway ignored her officers and continued to dismiss anything that didn't suit her agenda. She further endangered the crew by being unilateral in all decisions despite knowing they would further harm the crew. She self righteously condemned her crew to death because she refused to listen, refused to accept what she was and refused to put her crew before her own erratic self desires

Meanwhile Chakotay just stood there like a damp stick

So yeah.........they were perfect copies

No argument there.

That's why it's not one I watch unless I'm in a self punishment via story angst mood. I've seen it twice. Original airing and wth am I watching this again? Oh yeah, I saw it because I couldn't remember when I saw Janeway arranging flowers and it bugged me. Lol. Found it scanning the episode. Now I know why I hadn't remembered that j/c scene.

 

[kirkfan]

Silver blood Janeway ignored her officers and continued to dismiss anything that didn't suit her agenda. She further endangered the crew by being unilateral in all decisions despite knowing they would further harm the crew. She self righteously condemned her crew to death because she refused to listen, refused to accept what she was and refused to put her crew before her own erratic self desires

Meanwhile Chakotay just stood there like a damp stick

So yeah.........they were perfect copies

No argument there.

That's why it's not one I watch unless I'm in a self punishment via story angst mood. I've seen it twice. Original airing and wth am I watching this again? Oh yeah, I saw it because I couldn't remember when I saw Janeway arranging flowers and it bugged me. Lol. Found it scanning the episode. Now I know why I hadn't remembered that j/c scene.

It's not clear whether they would have reached the demon planet in time, had Janeway decided to turn back when she discovered that they weren't the real crew.

 

[Catarina]

True and I get her "so we live as pools of fluid?" Thing but her crew had spoken and wanted to "Go home." The demon planet. I would have tried.

 

[kirkfan]

True and I get her "so we live as pools of fluid?" Thing but her crew had spoken and wanted to "Go home." The demon planet. I would have tried.

I don't know what she was thinking, even if they got to Earth, it wouldn't have stopped their liquefaction, they would have ended a dead pools of fluid, on Earth! Their only chance was to get back to the demon planet and hope for the best.

 

[hux]

I thought it was an effective satire on Janeways personality. Pretty much everyone on board recognises the futility of pretending that they're not copies and wants to make decisions based on that truth (some sooner than others) Janeway is monumentally locked in one dimensional thinking (because she's a perfect copy of a woman locked in one dimensional thinking)

Janeway is the last to accept what she is because of that. Her personality is such that she is incapable of seeing the bigger picture, incapable of putting the crew first, incapable of genuine reasoning

The episode gives us an exaggerated version of the crew and therefore gives the writers an opportunity to have some fun (mostly at her expense)

 

[kirkfan]

I thought it was an effective satire on Janeways personality. Pretty much everyone on board recognises the futility of pretending that they're not copies and wants to make decisions based on that truth (some sooner than others) Janeway is monumentally locked in one dimensional thinking (because she's a perfect copy of a woman locked in one dimensional thinking)

Janeway is the last to accept what she is because of that. Her personality is such that she is incapable of seeing the bigger picture, incapable of putting the crew first, incapable of genuine reasoning

The episode gives us an exaggerated version of the crew and therefore gives the writers an opportunity to have some fun (mostly at her expense)

Harry and Seven are the last ones left to hold the fort...

 

[hux]

Harry and Seven are the last ones left to hold the fort...

But they knew she was being ludicrous (and when Janeway "finally" accepts she's being an idiot, they certainly don't disagree with her)

If Janeway told Harry to pull his pants down and stick his bare anus in the air so she could use it as a pen holder.......he would have......doesn't mean he respects her decisions, just means he left his balls on DS9

 

[kirkfan]

What was the point of this episode then?

 

[Catarina]

The producers thought it would be 'cool' to show what happened to the demon planet crew. And thought it was poetic to let them die before discovery.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

While the episode was very well done, it seemed out of place. After "Demon" I completely forget the crew had duplicates of themselves.

 

[kirkfan]

While the episode was very well done, it seemed out of place. After "Demon" I completely forget the crew had duplicates of themselves.

I am assuming that the silver blood took a sneaky recording of the whole ship, including the computer and its contents. And then once Voyager was gone, it built an entire ship with fuel in its engines, while wiping every copy of the crew's memory of the events that preceded their birth. and then sent them on their way too... Earth...

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Interesting theory. Seeing as the Demon crew were exact duplicates, they would have had all the knowledge that the Voyager crew had. So you're right that they could have easily built a ship.

 

[kirkfan]

Interesting theory. Seeing as the Demon crew were exact duplicates, they would have had all the knowledge that the Voyager crew had. So you're right that they could have easily built a ship.

I am not saying that the crew built the ship as the crew they are formed to pilot and maintain the ship not to build it. No, I am saying that the silver blood took a recording of the ship the same way it did with duplicate Tom and Harry's clothes for example and created it the same way it created everything else. It was the sliver blood that was speaking through Harry on the transporter pad for example.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Oh. Thanks. I kind of forgot half the episode.

 

[kirkfan]

Oh. Thanks. I kind of forgot half the episode.

Well, I only know it well because I watched it recently.

 

[Catarina]

While the episode was very well done, it seemed out of place. After "Demon" I completely forget the crew had duplicates of themselves.

LOL, so did I.
the one time I don't go looking for continuity I get it.

 

[hux]

What was the point of this episode then?

For the writers to have some disposable fun (with Janeway in particular)

It's the very embodiment of a Voyager reset episode. They can literally do whatever they want and it won't matter. Have Janeway marry Neelix.....have Harry Kung fu kick Chakotay in the balls.....Seven just randomly explodes into glitter

All meaningless (and yet they still made Janeway a self-righteous nut case )